Tim Burton's Willy Wonka:
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Posted by NoraMae (noral@c-zone.net) on November 11, 2004 6:55 AM
*I'm* looking foward to this movie. I've seen the original Willy Wonka and I absolutely love it - it's a CLASSIC!
I really think Tim Burton will do this movie justice. He's an excellent director!
And if you consider all of the different styles of characters that Johnny Depp has played, then you'd realize that he'd be great for the role of Willy Wonka. He's not just some bland big-name actor with no depth. He actually has talent!
I really think this will be a good movie. If anyone could pull it off, it would be Tim Burton.
RE: You cant beat Perfection
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on November 11, 2004 10:53 AM
"Depp looks more like Willy WANKER. What a poof!"
Sorry but I have to comment on this.
The minute I saw the thread link Willy Wonker I knew that somewhere even with only one comment the word Willy Wanker would appear. I was even prepared to write it myself if horror of horrors it didn't appear itself. Just goes to show that some names will always be mocked regardless of context. What possessed Dahl to give the main character a name with such easy derision attached to it. he might as well have called it Burt Forker. I am childish I know.
Anyway the film looks like it will keep fairly close to the book so good luck to I guess.
You can't fix perfection
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on November 12, 2004 4:10 AM
I totally agree. The classic movie was absolutely amazing. There can only be one willy wonka, and Gene Wilder was IT.
Johnny Depp looks like a transvestite. Doesn't bear any resemblance to the desciption of him in the book. He just looks like he's in drag!
Not going to see this film, just going to get the original and best out, and watch it over and over.
There can be no other.
hmm,
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on November 12, 2004 11:15 AM
i think willy wonka was written in a simpler time, when children were innocent and didn't get any masturbation connotations.
But they *really* should have followed the description in teh book. not convinced by the costume, Wilder was good, but Depp has the potential to be better
RE: ....
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Posted by lollylollylolly (lollyx34769@yahoo.com) on November 13, 2004 12:22 PM
Look, I regard myself as a Wonka traditionalist. I am beside myself that Burton is making a remake. By the way, it's okay to resent that, and still think that Burton is a genius - which I don't, and still think that Depp is a genius - which I REALLY don't. They are talented, but genius? Come on! Orson Welles was a genius, Elia Kazan, another genius. Let's not go crazy here.
Gene Wilder is, and will always be Willy Wonka. End of story!
Charlie and The Chocolate Factory
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Posted by MClite (No Email) on November 13, 2004 7:17 PM
You have to keep in mind that this remake isn't a musical. This movie is following the Roald Dahl novel more closely than the first one and it will not be like the Gene Wilder movie was. Also keep in mind that it's being directed by Tim Burton so it'll be a little darker. Don't expect it to be like the original because it won't be.
Look, I regard myself as a Wonka traditionalist.
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on November 14, 2004 7:42 AM
"Look, I regard myself as a Wonka traditionalist."
Without refering to the book or movie could you use this sentence in any other context without sounding odd.
"Where's the green hair?"
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on November 14, 2004 11:20 AM
Whoever left one of the first comments about the oompa loompas, have you actually read this book? What totally ruined the first version of this movie way back when was the stupid midgets with orange skin and green hair singing crap limmericks. They, thank god, were not in the book. Tim Burton stayed as true to the book as possible, name and all. This movie will be so much better than the original.
They should have left off with charlie
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on November 15, 2004 2:40 AM
running the place. Johnny Depp is a grea actor but why change a masterpiece. They should have had him play Charlie in the Factory and maybe a new contest if they can not come up with new ides. I should have wrote the damn thing myself.
RE: You can't fix perfection
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on November 15, 2004 4:33 AM
Johnny Depp will transform this version into THE version. He does it every time, and if you dont know this, then prepare to find out. Take a look at a handfull of his other roles - Sam in 'Benny and Joon' for example, or Agent Sands in 'once upon a time in mexico'. Dont knock Depp. He's the most talented actor around, and he's a lovely lovely guy.
Both sides of Depp.
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on November 15, 2004 6:23 AM
I loved the original and its demented/twistedly innocent nature, however it strayed very far from the book in so many ways. I hope this new one steps a little closer to the story and includes some of the tibits that were originally cut out in the first one. Depp is a very talented actor although at times he can't ALWAYS save a movie. (Once Upon A Time In Mexico wasn't THAT great.) Tim Burton is a directorial genius. I have no doubt in my mind that together again, they will recreate Willy Wonka into a masterpiece. Personally, I hope they make the lesser known sequel book into a movie as well "Charlie and the Great Glass Elevator" where the elevator went into space, Charlie and family ran into Vermicious Kinids, and they travelled deep underneath the factory to a place called Minusworld, I believe. Gosh Dahl was awesome!
Book vs Movie
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on November 15, 2004 10:16 AM
Some of you people seem like the type that watch the movies instead of the reading the books, then complain when your professor calls you on it by failing your essay.
I absolutely love the original movie, and I read the book years ago before I had even seen it. The first movie was based _loosely_ on the book. Yes, the movie was great, but it tore the book apart, and made it much lighter so that some song and dance could be added to make it a little kid's movie.
I'm confident Tim Burton and Johnny Depp are going to do the book plenty of justice, and I hope that more of you will realize the difference in the two movies. I'm looking forward to seeing a movie _of_ the book, not a musical _about_ the book.
RE: The TV room guy in the second picture
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on November 15, 2004 2:06 PM
if the seccond pic is deep roy then... the guys an oompa loompa! to bad i was expecting more from tim B, but maybe thats how the book describes them...?
depp is so fucking gay
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on November 15, 2004 2:48 PM
Depp is the main source of evil for this movie. Tim burton took the book to the extreme, thus in turn ruining the orignal feel of the first movie. Depp is a homo anyway!
RE: depp is so fucking gay
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on November 15, 2004 2:50 PM
Damn right and manson would have made a better wonka, and depp will ruin the name of burton and willy wonka. I dont even want to eat the candy anymore, because of Johnny Homo.
Marilyn Manson vs. Depp?
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on November 16, 2004 5:47 AM
Alright. Who was it that started this strange notion that Manson could ever act, let alone play the part of Willy Wonka?
Depp is one of the best actors of our time, and you're saying that Manson should play the role instead?
Also, yes Depp looks a little fruity, but that's no reason to curse or toss around the term 'gay' so freely. Surely you have enough brains to express yourself without cursing or personally insulting a person who's just doing his job. Honestly, it's just a movie! (A movie that I'm very much looking forward to, but just a movie nonetheless.)
RE: Marilyn Manson vs. Depp?
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on November 16, 2004 6:15 AM
Where's everyone getting the idea that the book was really dark and disturbing from? Ok, it was a little politically incorrect by todays standards but not nearly as creepy as some parts of the film.
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on November 16, 2004 6:45 AM
Geez, there are a lot of "Willy Wonka" fans that don't realize that the book was written before the movie. How can you be "beside yourself" that there this new movie is going to be more faithful to the book? Before complaining about who is cast and who the director is, read the book and watch the original movie. You will see discrepancies and realize that Depp is a much more faithful looking Willy Wonka than Gene Wilder was. Willy Wonka was a thin, eccentric, wiry man... not a blond-haired, round-faced vocalist. Also, the Oompa-Loompas did sing songs in the book.
some of you are so damn stupid
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on November 16, 2004 2:00 PM
THE FILM IS NOT A REMAKE. I REPEAT: THE FILM IS NOT A REMAKE.
It's clear who isn't a REAL fan and who is a real fan. The ones who aren't real fans are the ones saying it's a remake of a masterpiece and whatnot.
Any REAL Willy Wonka fan knows that Johnny's version is actually following the book. This is the version Roald would have wanted. I bet some of you fake fans didn't even know that Roald actually hated Gene Wilder's version.
RE: some of you are so damn stupid
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on November 17, 2004 4:49 AM
That's already been said by someone. Anyway, why's everyone getting so angry about who's the bigger Willy Wonka fan? "Oh, I've read the book so I'M a bigger fan than you and my opinion matters more!" Why don't you all grow up a bit?
Okay
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on November 17, 2004 5:24 AM
Marilyn Manson tried out for Willy Wonka and him and Johnny Depp were the last two choices for the part.
Obviously Burton wanted Depp for some unknown reason...maybe its Manson's rep that didn't get him the part...
Im sure the movie will turn out fine, some will be disapointed but Burton tends to follow the story, not the movie made before it so it sohuld prove very interesting.
Come on
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on November 17, 2004 7:31 AM
Come on plz, the original movie kept to the book and did it more justice than anything could....
I just wanna see Tim Burton gothic the fuck out of it and make it bizzarre and trippy, Dnt care if he doesnt have charlies grandad jumper the right colours. he can put him in a gimp outfit...i really wanna know though is danny elfman doin the score?????? cas then id love it :)
RE: Come on
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on November 17, 2004 7:33 AM
me again lol, marilyn manson did not try and pull off willy wonka, if u refere to the smells liek children art work hes trying to be the gimp outta chitty chitty bang bang . the child snatcher... but tbh i think hed make a more twisted willy wonker. i just hope johhny can freak ppl after his recent movies.
RE: Willie Wonka
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on November 17, 2004 12:58 PM
Um. this looks like such a sorry group of characters. even johnny depp, who normally is awsome.. first off, people have to understand that willy wonka was about the hair do's. no one has hair like gene wilder. it was his hair alone that made willy wonka so bad ass.
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on November 19, 2004 3:19 PM
First of all, before you all get your heads shoved too far up your asses and run around saying "they aren't following the book, they're making parts of the movie creepier than they should be"... READ THE BOOK.
Second of all, how can any of you make a judgement that "parts of the movie are too creepy in comparison to the book" when YOU HAVE YET TO SEE THE MOVIE. That's like saying "man the year 2005 was great, except when my Grandma got hit by a tractor". You just make yourself sound even more like someone who should have been an abortion.
Thirdly, Burton and Depp have already publically stated that it isn't there intention to try to upstage the original, because it's obvious that the original, and Gene Wilder, are classics.
Now pull your little panties out of their bunches and find something more worthwhile to do than get online and whine about a movie based on a book that most of you probably didn't even know existed.
RE: Willie Wonka
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on November 20, 2004 11:29 AM
ok, this movie is NOT the remake of the classic movie Willy Wonka and the Chcolate Factory, in fact, this movie is based on the BOOK. If you watch the movie and then read the book, they are very different. I think this movie is going to be great, more dark like the book, and Tim Burton is going to do an awesome job!
RE: Too pale, Too straight
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on November 20, 2004 6:38 PM
Well if you followed either the book OR the movie, he was a recluse and stayed shut up inside all the time. Tell me where he would have got a sun tan from ???
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on November 20, 2004 10:59 PM
ok, i know it's been said in someway, but burton actually read the book before working on the film. he saw the 1st film and concluded that his was much darker. oh and as a side note, those of you calling depp gay, are real a-holes. the man is a super talented actor and a really nice guy.
RE: Willie Wonka
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on November 21, 2004 12:40 AM
Ooompa Loompa's didn't actually have green hair OR Orange faces. This was a book first, remeber, and in the book, Oompa Loompas had white faces with golden brown hair. which this guy still doesn't look like.
Book vs Movie 1 vs Movie 2
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on November 21, 2004 5:47 AM
If you saw the Gene Wilder version without reading the book, it's likely that you consider it to be "the" authentic version. If you read the book first, you may have been disappointed with the movie. I consider the book to be "the real thing," but have grown to appreciate the movie as well.
I think that Burton is brilliant, that Depp is unbelieveably talented, and that therefore it's impossible to predict what the new movie will be like. For the most part, I'm expecting the unexpected, expecting only to enjoy it hugely -- on its own merit, not in competition with the book or the first movie.
Be openminded!!!!!
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on November 21, 2004 8:03 PM
Who cares if it's not the "original"? I LOVE the original too, but this movie is not a cheap imitation at all. It will be totally different in most aspects. Any sorry Gene, Johnny's shown way more creativity in his acting, and Tim Burton and he are both GENIUSES as other posters have said.
RE: some of you are so damn stupid
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on November 22, 2004 10:22 AM
The problem with Hollywood today is that the studio heads are too chicken-$#!t to try something new. This film may not be a remake in your eyes, but A) the story line, title, and characters have already been captured on celluloid. B) CATCF already has a fan base. C) CATCF was originally a book therefore, a ?remake? - not an original script.
I have learned not to second-guess a Depp performance; no matter what role he creates. He can be in one of my movies any day. You can?t go wrong with a Burton-Depp-Elfman-Neill or Owen (makeup) combination. Guys that make fun of the very talented AND beautiful tend to be lashing out because they are jealous.
And in conclusion: THANK GOD IT?S NOT A MUSICAL!!! Not that Depp could not pull it off, because I have all confidence in him, but I tend to squirm while a single thought is being repeatedly dragged out for 3 & ? minutes.
Looking forward to the release!
Jesus, calm down, all of you!
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on November 22, 2004 10:45 AM
I hve a few things to say...
One) You cannot go into the film expecting it to be better, no one could do that, you have to expect difference, it will be different, still good, still entertaining, but different, Burton did not go out and try to make it better, it has been said by himslef and Depp they could not make it better, just different...now that you have that understood...
even though he is following more closely to the book, it does not mean he is going presicely by the book...so what if the oopma loompas arent exactly the same, so what if willy wonka doesnt look like the books description to a t...the whole story in general will be closer to the book than the original...so stop complaining about how it isn't ever going to be better than the first, or how it isn't exactly as the book...it is a film made by a talented man, with many talented actors which will be a very good movie...just let the complaining rest, and shit, the movie isnt even out yet...nor is it even done filming....
RE: Jesus, calm down, all of you!
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on November 24, 2004 12:45 PM
I'd just like to say well done to you for telling everyone to bloody well calm down. People started to get a bit over the top on some of their remarks especially to do with the Willy WANKER stuff *yawn*. Nobody expects remakes to be better than the original, different directors just want to try it their own way and alter the look. Any fans of Tim Burton's work like myself will be eager to see what he has done with this film. I do have to agree with some people that Johnny Depp does not look his best in this film but that's one of the reasons I admire him, he is an amazing actor and not afraid to act the weirdo of the film like in Edward Scissorhands or Benny and Joon for example. Oh and also, some of you people writing your own comments should learn that everyone has their own opinions and you can't force your own onto someone else, no one can be right when are expressing your own thoughts.
I'm so excited!!!!!
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on November 24, 2004 3:04 PM
And I just can't hide it!.....
Lol oh my god I can not wait. Roald Dahl's Charlie and the Chocolate factory is awesome, The 70's Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory is awesome, and god is Johnny Depp awesome! When I heard he was doing this I cried a little. :)
I cannot wait. So excited!!!
Don't you understand?
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on November 26, 2004 10:38 AM
This is not a true re-make of the Willy Wonka and the Chocolate factory movie, it is adapation of Charlie and the Chocolate factory-The original book. If anyone has read this book, they would notice that there is quite a difference in the Gene Wilder version compared to the book. This movie is rumored to be more like the book, thus it's title "Charlie and the Chocolate Factory".
I am very optimistic of it's turn out. The pics look great.
I happen to like the new oompa loompas! (Although he does look like something out of mork and mindy)
NOT A remake
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on November 27, 2004 5:49 PM
I loved the old movie as much as the next person.. But this movie is meant to be a different adaptation of the book, not at ALL a remake of the movie... Compare Johnny to Gene all you want, but Tim Burton, along with his dream team of Johnny, Helena Bonham-Carter, and Danny Elfman, will create a new filmthat only a film maker and an actor with such talent and perspective can successfully pull off.
RE: ....
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on November 27, 2004 5:54 PM
THANK you for pointing out the genius of such creative contributors to the film industry. I can't spell contributors correctly, but I can show my appreciation nonetheless.
For those of you true Johnny fans out there, he was nominated for the Golden Globe for his transvestite-director title role as Ed Wood, again with Tim. :)
Who the fuck is Willy Wonker?
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on November 28, 2004 2:49 AM
I keep seeing that name. Who is that? And someone once floated a rumor that Marilyn Manson would play Willy Wonka. Can he even act? Is he an actor? Do people still like that tired, played-out piece of shit loser?
oompa loompa
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Posted by pink_floyd_atreyu (fuckyoubitch@cunt.com) on November 28, 2004 2:43 PM
okay on the oompa loompas, they arent really dressed like that during the whole movie, they are only suited up such as in those suits during one scene because in the book "Charlie and the Chocolate Factory", it says "then the oompa loompas came in dressed in bright red space suits wearing helmets and goggles" but that was during when they meet mike teavee i think...
RE: depp is so fucking gay
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on November 28, 2004 3:27 PM
youre the gay one. johnny rox and just cos your so insecure with your sexual feelings doesn't mean that everyone is a homo. go suck cock, johnny Depp will rock this movie!!!! we luv u Johnny, devoted fans.
When do we get the "James & the Giant Peach" redux
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on November 28, 2004 5:00 PM
I wish we could get a decent live action/cgi version of Dahl's other masterpiece. That horrible stop-motion version was so disappointing. (And mind you, I *loved* "Nightmare Before Christmas.")
RE: You stole these Pics from AICN!!!!!!
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on November 28, 2004 8:16 PM
Ain't It Cool News steals shit from everyone else. What's the damage? Besides, half of the shit they have, they make up. FUCK AICN.
Depp - not a genius
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on November 28, 2004 9:14 PM
i don't think johnny depp is a genius. he may be a good actor.. but genius? i mean, he doesn't write the scipts to the movies, he just reads them. And most people only really "loved" him after he was in Pirates of the Carribean. He wasn't huge and loved and talked about alot when he was in Edawrd Scissorhands and Once upon a time in Mexico. Im soryy if i offend you Depp "lovers", but he is not a genius.
P.S - I would like to see Burton do a twisted version of The Wizard Of Oz. that might be fun to see.
Original Oompa Loompas
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on November 30, 2004 11:53 PM
To those arguing about the Oompa Loompas,
If y'all care to see...
How Roald Dahl *originally* depicted the Oompa Loompas in the first editions of the book is discussed here (along with the controversy that caused the publishers to ask Dahl for revisions to the Oompa Loompas a decade after the book was first published).
veddy interesting...
http://www.roalddahlfans.com/books/charoompa.php
I'm eagerly awaiting this adaptation with Depp and am open to enjoying all versions for their individual merits.
Willie Wonka
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on December 2, 2004 10:06 AM
I HAVE TO BE THE BIGGEST FAN, of not only Tim Burton's Films, & Johnny Depp, But Ronald Dahl's book Willy Wonk and the Chocolate factory is one the most amazing kids books to ever be released! I bet my money on it that this movie is going to be a MASTERPIECE
RE: Book vs Movie
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on December 3, 2004 3:33 PM
I would just like to point something out to all of you fuckers, Roald Dahl wrote the first movie, it was his vision on film. H ewnated it to be different from the book so don't go saying that they tore the book apart in the original because tearing it apart would be some dbag going and doing whatever they felt to the novel, the fact that Dahl did it makes it ok because it's his own literature. Second of all this isn't a remake of the original, it's a new telling of the book, totally different concept all together, kind of like how Planet of the Apes was not a remake but a "reimagining" yes I know it sucked but whatever. Let Tim make the movie and if it's a failure whatever. All I know is I'll be at the midnight show if there is one. Now you can all go to hell
faithfull adaptation
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on December 3, 2004 7:15 PM
To end all these arguments about oompa loompas and how the characters dont match up to the book, this movie will be a more faithful adaptation of the book than the original! The guy that wrote the screenplay, John Augest, has never seen the orgiginal movie and only based it on the book. This movie has been promised to be a darker adaptaion, like the book. Next time you go on a wild rant, why dont you know what you talking about
RE: You can't fix perfection
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on December 3, 2004 11:49 PM
There was an earlier comment made that everyone needs to look at. If not, then I'll repeat it for ya. The first Chocolate Factory movie wasn't soley based off of Dahl's book. Burton is changing that and is going to be more loyal to the book. If you loved the original, then read the book and go see this one because with Tim Burton directing it and Johnny Depp in it, it's sure to hit big!
Exciting!
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on December 5, 2004 10:55 AM
Johnny Depp is an excellent actor, Tim Burton is an excellent director and Roal Dahl was an excellent writer. That's why I'm looking forward to this film. Gene Wilder's Wonka was impressive, but I never got the darker feel in that film that I get when reading the book. That is why this film is perfect for Burton. I'm not sure if it's been said already, but the picture of the Oompah Loompah appears to be the guy who plays Mr Soggybottom in Burton's Big Fish.
RE: depp is so fucking gay
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on December 6, 2004 10:15 AM
If Depp is so much worse than Manson then why are they inseperable. If you call Depp gay then Manson must be his lover. As for the movie Tim Burton does not do "remakes" he only makes masterpeices and the team of Depp and Burtin should produce a truly magnificent movie.
RE: depp is so fucking gay
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on December 7, 2004 5:31 AM
"Tim Burton does not do "remakes" he only makes masterpeices"
What about Planet of the Apes? If I recall that was a remake and was hardly a masterpiece. Also, Manson is no actor, get over it.
Hmmmm...
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on December 7, 2004 6:50 AM
I like both Johnny Depp, and Tim Burton. First off, Johnny Depp has more experience than Manson. Remember Edward Scissorhands? That was a great movie and wasn't it by Tim Burton.
If they want to do a Manson version, that'd be cool too. It would be like a freaky horror film. I'd love it if they did both, frankly. I'm a Johnny Depp, Tim Burton, Roald Dahl, and Marilyn Manson fan and proud of it.
You can't fix perfection etc
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on December 7, 2004 7:30 AM
IT IS A REMAKE. No one is trying to 'fix' anything. As already said a completely different approach has been taken with this- get real, its Tim Burton and the awesome Johhny Depp! Whoever Nov13 at 6.09 said Johnny Depp is 'pure genius', he so is.
Whoever is having doubts about Tim Burton and Johnny Depp in 'Charlie and the Chocolate Factory' (July 15th US, July 29th UK 2005) should seroiusly go rent some Tim Burton and Johhny Depp collaborations-'Edward Scissorhands', 'Sleepy Hollow'. Johnny Depp rocks in 'Pirates Of The Caribbean: The Curse Of The Black Pearl'. If you haven't seen it why not! I have every faith in this remake, i am so excited about it.
Get real
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on December 7, 2004 7:35 AM
JOHNNY DEPP IS IN CHARACTER. He doesn't look kike a poof or whatever, whoever said that.
Thats what actors/actresses do, they get made over as a character so that they can play the role and it adds more to the role.
Would you have preferred Captain Jack Sparrow without the pirate costume/makeup. Or maybe Edward Scissorhands without the Scissorhands.
Think!
Johnny Depp's Character
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on December 7, 2004 7:38 AM
I'm positve that Johnny Depp can pull off a Willy Wonka. Those candies in the cane look so cool, you know what they remind me of? Nerds!!!
Yummy...
RE: oompa loompa
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on December 9, 2004 6:17 AM
I think that comment just sums up the general stupidity that some of you folk seam to be holding on to.
Having just read the entire conversation, I think it's fair to say;
Stop taking this whole thing quite so seriously.
Those of you who want to see the film, you'll see it and I hope you enjoy it, those devotees of the first film, don't see it and reminisce over the first film.
The original was a fantastic book, the film of this book was (as a piece of filmography) very good, Burton's new film, will (I hope) be equally as good, but I will not be comparing the two. There is no point. At all. Like many of you have said. The "original" film was quite far away from the book, but I think you'll agree that it was still a good film. Those of you who are so (strangely) aggravated by the thought of the remake...why such hostility? Do you feel the same about the Lord of the rings/ shall you feel the same about the up-and-coming "Phantom of the opera" This film (Phantom) is said to be a "re-make" of the musical and not the book, as such, are we to protest?
NO! - We?ll embrace what we're being offered.
Do we not?
- As far as im aware, none of you, or myself, are Johnny Depp, Burton, or indeed in quite the same business as them, so how can we give them such agro? They are both very good in their chosen fields,
as was Dahl,
and wilder.
Lets remain broad-minded guys?
It?s a big world.
Thanks for listening.
I love Johnny Depp!!!!!!
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on December 10, 2004 9:36 AM
this willy wonka movie will be better than the that came out in 1971,
no offense to the oringinal willy wonka(gene wilder) but johnny depp will make a way better willy wonka than him.
plus i'm so excited that johnny is doing 2 more movies with tim because burton is my most favorite director of all time.
what is it about tim's films that make him my favorite director......oh wait he used johnny depp in some of his movies DUH........go johnny we love you!!!!
just watch the movie. in july. sheez.
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on December 10, 2004 3:04 PM
The screenwriter for this film read the book and wrote the play NEVER HAVING SEEN THE 1971 VERSION (though, he must have lived in a closet somewhere all these years... you can't escape that movie...). Therefore, it is not intended to be a remake of the 1971 film, but a film interpretation of Roald Dahl's original text. So, get over your clouded preconceptions and just watch the movie when it comes out and enjoy... bah...
Johnny Depp??????
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on December 12, 2004 5:47 AM
I'd just like to point out the fact that Johnny Depp is after totally ruining Willy Wonka!!!!! Willy Wonka has a PURPLE jacket, if im not mistaken i do believe Johnny Depp's is BROWN! if you havent noticed the colour makes a slight difference?!?!?!?! As much as i like J depp, he doesnt look like the part but i say he'll act the part to his best, which will be quite cool! Cant wait to actually see it!! DEAD KENNEDYS rock!!!!!!!!!!!!1
Read this
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on December 13, 2004 7:29 AM
those of you who think Gene Wilder played the best Willy Wonka, you're right and wrong. Gene Wilder fit the perfect role for a happy willy wonka, but if you ask me or anyone we all know Johnny Depp would fit the role for a wired quirky willy wonka. the 1971 version was an altered version of the book, Burton is doing the Book version it's not that hard to understand. so if you're arguing about whos better as wonka just read this and look at "who'd be better for each of the 2 roles", Gene for a happy wonka, Johnny for a Quirky wonka. Gene wilder was yesterday sadley enough but c'mon Johnny Depp is today, be happy it wasn't anyone like Orlando Bloom or Decaprio playing wonka. Johnny Depp has played more roles than almost anyone is hollywood, from a Notorious Cowboy Criminal to an Astronaut to an unstable pirate. Face it Johnny Depp is todays Willy Wonka and they coulnd't have chosen anyone better to play Wonka.
different takes
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on December 13, 2004 10:08 AM
I don't think it's a matter of trying to out-do or re-do the first one -- i think it's a matter of, here is someone else's version of it, their take on the story. it doesn't mean it's better or worse than the first one, just means it's Tim Burton's outlook on it, so respect him for his viewpoint -- i'm sure it's not about trying to be a *better one* than Gene Wilder's. Obviously it's a classic, and no one can out-do a classic.
also-- WHERE IS NOAH TAYLOR'S CHARACTER? and if Christopher Lee is playing Wonka's father, how can you knock this version already when we have such quality actors like Lee?
RE: different takes
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on December 14, 2004 5:43 AM
Gene Wilder's version of Willie Wonka wasn't happy, it was really bizarre and twisted. Also, in the trailer Wonka says he hates chewing gum the most. Why does he make it then?
RE: Tim Burton's Willy Wonka:
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on December 14, 2004 8:48 AM
r u a freaking moron. I luv johnny depp and tim burton, but he just ruined this movie. i mean "chewing gum i think is grose.Chewing gum i hate the most" thats not bad willy wonka would say that. but he is suposed to have a PURPLE suit not MAROON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Original screenplay
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on December 15, 2004 11:49 AM
For those who commented that Dahl wrote the original screenplay, so what was on screen was the film he wanted to make...
The studio was very unhappy with the Dahl screenplay, so David Selzer was brought in to compltely rewrite it (he introduced the whole Slugworth plotline) and Newley and Bricusse were commisioned to write brand new songs to turn it into a musical (which wasn't the original intention).
Dahl was furious with this treatment, and as a result pulled the rights to the "Glass Elevator" sequel.
What is up there is, in my opinion, absolutely fantastic (and one of my favourite films) - but it certainly isn't what Roald Dahl wanted the film to be.
WHO DOES HE LOOK LIKE?
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on December 15, 2004 8:46 PM
I just saw the trailer and his big teeth and mannerisms, especially on the bubble-gum line, he looks SOO much like someone but I can't place who!!! Maybe the chick who was in Amelie.
RE: You cant beat Perfection
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on December 15, 2004 10:58 PM
that's why they're not FIXING anything; they're taking a different approach. the cinematography, the characterization, the costuming, the visuals in general, the story line, and the inclusion of details are very different. it will be another look at the novel, not an improved take on the movie.
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Posted by jazzGirl (jazzyaltogirls@yahoo.com) on December 16, 2004 3:11 PM
seriously now, why are people picking favorites here? both movies have the same plot line, but some things have changed, thats all. i personally love gene wilder and the 1971 version, and im totally excited about the new one, because Johnny Depp+Tim Burton= great movie. Johnny will be different at Willy than Gene was, but it will still be good. Everyone should give it a chance whether you enjoy johnny depp or not.
RE: ....
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on December 16, 2004 6:05 PM
I agree with you. Noone is trying to "fix perfection". That's why this is called a remake and not a revision. This is just another version. If you liked the 1st time, but you don't go see this one how do you call yourself a fan? You can't completely be a fan without being open to other versions. Maybe this one will be a little bit closer to the book. I think noone can replace Gene Wilder,but that doesn't mean I don't think that Johnny Depp could be just as good.
my wit the oompa loompa
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on December 16, 2004 6:59 PM
hello everybody how long is your dick because ill like to suck it its me the boy that is soooooooo horney for mr wonka i got some good new i learned that the oopa loompas love i mean love getting it up the ass because were at my house wit mr wonka and charlie and charlies grampa he real ruff we had so much fun but fucking each other and sucking each others dick oooooo man im sooo horney im rubbing my nipples and my dick at this moment oooooooooooo yes my little hand yes ooo that feels good were my poster of mr wonka wit the holes for me dick il brb............ok im putting my dick in the hole nowoooooooooooooooo see ya later im to busy having fun
RE: my wit the oompa loompa
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on December 17, 2004 7:07 AM
The role of Wonka needs someone the kids can look up to, a role model they can trust and have faith in. Depp fits the bill, he is an excellent choice. I have not only seen the original film, but have read both the book and it's sequel, Charlie & the Great Glass Elevator, which I am sad was never made into a movie. All that matters now is that the magical Mr Wonka is back to delight a new generation!
I hit the wrong button
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on December 17, 2004 9:45 PM
Yes Danny Elfman is doing score...Did you watch the trailer? Can't you tell his music anywhere? I just wanted to say that yes Depp does look a little bit like Manson, but did anybody else get that Clockwork Orange feel from him as well? Watching the trailor I felt like Burton took the one really creepy scene from the first movie and made the whole thing like that. Well we will all know what its like in June when its out.
RE: Depp - not a genius
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on December 18, 2004 8:12 PM
"i mean, he doesn't write the scipts [sic] to the movies, he just reads them."
Really, if you believe it to be so simple to act well then you must live in a fantasy world.
You should really try directing actors for film at least once... you'll quickly see that it takes a very special talent for a performer to act well, and yes--I would say it takes a level of genius to not only act well but also consistently create new believable characters.
Johnny Depp's range of ability is mind-blowing from a professional point of view. Stop and think about the variety of characters he's portrayed, each one defined by personality traits he's given them, that he's cultivated based on the script. The script is lifeless without the 'genius' of a talented actor.
RE: Book vs Movie
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on December 19, 2004 1:47 AM
Actually, R.D. wrote the first draft of the script to the "original". Once it was complete and turned over to the movie studio, they changed it. He never intended for this movie to be a musical, that was added to peak interest from kids. He was incredibly unsatisfied with the original. When the studio decided to make the "remake", the R.D. estate basically said, only if Tim directs it. I have no idea if this will be more or less like the first one, but what does it matter? I will go see it because I love Tim.
RE: Tim Burton's Willy Wonka:
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on December 19, 2004 8:55 AM
Thank you! I've been checking out various chat boards and what not.. and all I've seen is bad comments about it. When I first saw the trailer to this, I almost freaked out. Tim Burton is my favorite director in the world.. he just has the stuff to pull ANYTHING off. And with Depp as Wonka, he can definately pull this off. I can't wait til July.
RE: Tim Burton's Willy Wonka:
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on December 19, 2004 10:21 AM
So you didn't like the trailer? I don't know about anyone else but when I was a kid I hated musicals, I always thought the songs got in the way of the story.
RE: You can't fix perfection
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on December 21, 2004 7:53 PM
you guys are missing the point. they are trying to re create it not follow it exaclt word for word. so go screw yourselves, this movie is gunna be awesome
RE: depp is so fucking gay
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on December 25, 2004 12:37 AM
I'm a Marilyn Manson fan, but I don't think he would've done justice. I believe Johnny Depp will do great, he's a wonderful actor. Think about what you all are saying, you haven't even seen the movie. How can you judge it so early now? And his clothing seems more elegant. But if you think about it, he has money, people with money dress that way. I'm trying to put it in simple terms so ignorant people that only know how you curse can understand what I'm saying, I know you close-minded jerks won't because you're mind frame is set on one thing, but I had to add my two cents.
RE: depp is so fucking gay
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on December 25, 2004 8:59 AM
Damn right and manson would have made a better wonka, and depp will ruin the name of burton and willy wonka. I dont even want to eat the candy anymore, because of Johnny Homo.
That just cracked me up. Calling Depp a pouf and saying Manson (the one guy who actually DOES take it up the arse) should have played Wonka.
RE: You can't fix perfection etc
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on December 27, 2004 2:08 AM
let's get some things straight, obviously (what, are you blind??) this film wont be an exact adaption of the book as there is only one parent for each child... sound familiar???
Also, Gene Wilder as Willy Wonka was perfect. just the right amount of joy, evil, quirkiness and hatrid for awful children!! One question, where do people get this strange notion that Roald Dahl's book is soooo much 'darker' than the film, I personnaly think it's the other way around... Wonka's jacket was plum, which is closer to moron than purple, so let's leave that alone. I am sure that the main reason Roald didn't like the original film very much was MAINLY due to all the political crap he had to go through with the studio. For what it's worth I love Dahl, Burton, Depp, Manson, Wilder, Elfman, Bea Arthur and my mummy
The new Willie Wonka Movie
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on December 29, 2004 12:56 PM
People should keep an open mind even though Gene Wilder is the greatest.Heck I at first was hoping they would offer Marilyn Manson the part since he does know how to act sinister part very well of Mr.Womka.But that is just my opion coming from someone who has an open mind.
Opions very and so do closed minded people
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on December 29, 2004 1:41 PM
Gene Wilder is and will always be the greatest original Willie Wonka.Just like Marilyn Manson will always be trully Brian Hugh Warner a true blue Wonkwer such as myself and as Johnny Depp and lots of other people who have actually been around when those 2 books and the oringinal movie first came out.Its not about sex/drugs or really even gothic music it is about the little people like you and me having a shot like these well known famous people have had and still do at finding our selves and making our dreams come true no matter how low the chances are.Its also about family .Come on people how can you forget.I did not .You should not either.Tim Burton and all these other actors deserve a chance just like Charlie deserved the golden ticket.This is how dreams are made so please if you want to crush chilhood dreams that goodhearted people like us have do it where we cannot read it and hear about it.Thank you for your time hopefully you people will change your opion about this movie.From>StarMoon214
RE: Opions very and so do closed minded people
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on December 30, 2004 3:33 AM
dooodes, yous gots ta like open your minds to the possibilites man. Willy Wonka is like so out there and all I'm getting is a load of negative vibes here man.
ALL
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Posted by vbdramaqueen18 (rightsidehitter18@yahoo.com) on January 1, 2005 10:10 PM
I liked the first move, but I enjoyed the novel better.. I think if they make this one more like the novel it will be better. From the looks of it, it is going to be alot more like the novel i mean of course there are similarities but this one first off is called Charlie and the Chocolate Factory so my guess is they are gearing it more twards the book.
RE: my wit the oompa loompa
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on January 3, 2005 4:39 PM
A tale of delight, and delectable fright, in a world made of sweets, and tasteariffic treats, mind your tongue and your teeth, or you'll end up beneath this factory of choc-o-late and horror. A ticket you have found, now i must take you 'round, 'til i rid myself of gnats, you infuriating brats, so put the gumdrops down, or in syrup you shall drown, and my secret to the world shall so remain.
RE: READ THE BOOK
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on January 4, 2005 1:21 PM
I so agree. The original movie, no matter how good it was, didnt stick with the story as well. The new one is supposed to be more correct. Ronald Dahl didnt even really like the original movie version that much. And they changed the oompa loompas to be politically correct.
i adore johnny depp--but whats up with the teeth??
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Posted by Lp-DEPP fanatic (schere00lp@hotmail.com) on January 4, 2005 2:00 PM
the trailer is really trippy...so of course im gonna go see the movie...i cant wait!..
anyway...wtf with the teeth?????? oh well... he knows hes hot, thats why he doesnt care..haha
Does anybody know of a band called"la ley"..i think they are from chile?? or something..im mex-ame..so i sort of know.. well the lead singer used to wear the kind of wierd glasses johhny is wearing.. they look identical..exept for the teeth..there i go again..haha... but no ones better than johnny at looking wierd-hot and awesome at the same time.....
is the guy in the red clothes an oompa loompa?? yuk... wheres the green hair?? and the orange face??
Disturbing
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on January 4, 2005 7:32 PM
This movie looks kind of disturbing, to be honest. Now, I heard they weren't trying to remake the old movie, but trying to make a brand new, original one. And, I do agree that Johnny Depp looks like a woman.
RE: Relax
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on January 4, 2005 7:52 PM
I think we need to remember that the most important thing about a movie is if it is enjoyable. I think this movie looks like a lot of fun. Dont worry about comparing it to the original. If you dont think you would enjoy watching it, then dont. But personally, I have never had Tim Burton let me down. I even enjoyed Frankenweenie :)
RE: Depp - not a genius
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on January 6, 2005 1:01 AM
WILL U SHUT UP???WOT WOULD U NO ABOUT BEING A GENIOUS ???? JOHNNY DEPP IS AN AMZING ACTOR BCOZ HE BRINGS SO MUCH MORE TO THE CHARACTERS AND HE HAS NEVER LET ME DOWN IN ANY OF HIS MOVIES AND I'M SURE THAT THE REST OF HIS "LOVERS" FEEL EXACTLY THE SAME!!!!!
IF U HAVE NOTHING GOOD TO WRITE THEN DON'T WRITE NOTHING AT ALL!!!!!
Morbid Burton.
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on January 6, 2005 9:28 AM
I really hope to god that this movie will be an acid trip realized, and scare the shit out of anyone that sees it. I hope that Burton, and Depp suffice, and keep it dark and distrubing.
The movie's done... so why is everyone freaking out about Depp being Wonka? If you cant appreciate the art, then don't go see it. I cant believe people have so much time to agrue this. Forums should be positive, and at least slightly intelligent. Perhaps with all the weather going on in the northeast all the kiddies have time to rank and rave and mis-spell their curse words.
Kudos to the guy that pointed out "fucken" is a redneck word.. hahaha
RE: Relax
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on January 6, 2005 10:48 PM
let's all just remember that since johnny came out of the closet in 03, its important for him to choose more masculine roles. and as far as tim burton, that suit that was filed against him in that child molestation case angered many people, so he needed to prove his fidelity by doing this film.
RE: some of you are so damn stupid
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on January 6, 2005 10:56 PM
"C) CATCF was originally a book therefore, a ?remake? - not an original script."
How can you remake a book? Especially into a movie? It's just a different adaptation of the book. Not a remake of the 1971 film. I mean, there are at least a dozen Romeo and Juliette (sp?) movies out there. Are they all remakes of the first one?
Anyway. That's all I have to say. Except for Johnny Depp is not a fag. And I'm not refering to the poster who I quoted.
RE: Marilyn Manson vs. Depp?
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on January 8, 2005 2:07 PM
Actually...Depp himself said that he would like for Manson to play the part...although that sint happening. Manson has played in other movies though. Depp also based part of Willy character on Manson which is cool cause Manson based some stuff on Willy Wonka. It was one of him favorite movies.
Circle of Life
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on January 8, 2005 4:50 PM
Don't you guys know that things go in cycle? For some reason, in the past 2 decades, society seems to need to redo things. Whether it is A Brady Movie, Batman, Psycho, Starksy and Hutch or Willy Wonka.
I am not against the idea of movies being updated to fit the times but some movies should not be touched. What's next? Gone With The Wind starring Brad Pitt and Pamela Anderson?
RE: johnny depp
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on January 11, 2005 12:47 PM
i love johnny depp and hes without a doubt the sexiest man alive, but edward scizzorhands looks ten levels better than willy wonka. Face is too white, hair is too straight, and no facial hair at all (if i was kissing him, id want him without the stache, but for this film, he needs facial hair.
Nevermind Depp...
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on January 14, 2005 11:04 AM
yeah yeah...Johnny Depp..blah blah blah..let's consider other things about this film. CHRISTOPHER LEE as Wonka Sr.!!! ( Dracula to you elder readers,Saruman to you younger Lord O' The Rings peeps.)What the??
Of course Burton's wifey has to be in it as Charlie's mom. Danny Elfman returns for Burton with more music.
That guy in red (seen way up ^ up there.)IS an Oompa Loompa...and yes,from the T.V. room...remember,they run all of Wonka's stuff.
But as dark as the film may get,it will never be done EXACT to Roald Dahl's works. For one the Oompa Loompas were pygmies.(Anyone who has read the original books with the original drawings can tell you this.)
All that aside...the "classic version" will always be such. But I am willing to try out the new one,just to see a non-musical version.
RE: Nevermind Depp...
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on January 15, 2005 8:36 AM
I thought Chris Lee is playing Grandpa Joe not Wonkas dad.
I think Tim Burton's movies are too dark and freaky. Edward Scissorhands, Nightmare Before Christmas...too wierd. But I like Depp and this movie is supposed to be closer to the book than Wonka. So I will give it a look.
Un-F'ing-believable
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on January 16, 2005 4:38 PM
I can't believe I read the whole thing. Not the book but this lame thread. Geez I wasted more time on this than learning about the nature of Black Holes on the Physics Forum.
I'm gonna have to set my alarm clock 20 minutes earlier tomorrow so I can get the time I WASTED back..right after I block this URL in my firewall so I don't accidently come here again,,,
RE: HilaryDuffLover
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on January 18, 2005 12:27 PM
I think you mean "serial" killer -- unless you're a five-year old who is just learning the complicated dynamics of the alphabet and of spelling, you must be the biggest moron who somehow managed to work a computer keyboard. My advice, shut up or go back to elementary school.
Why can't we wait and see
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on January 18, 2005 3:05 PM
Everyone is commenting and saying "such and such would have been better" how do we now that they are going to be bad until we have seen them do the part. Johnny Depp may look stupid but he may be amazing in this role. So can you wait till the movie comes out then decide what you think.
RE: Too pale, Too straight
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on January 19, 2005 12:49 PM
Too pale?? Too straight?? You expected a California tan and a modern doo from some guy who has supposedly been cooped up inside that factory for over 15 years?? The costume/make-up crew did a magnificent job turning Johnny into to psychitso weirdo Wonka was supposed to be!!
RE: Too pale, Too straight
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on January 20, 2005 4:14 AM
Sum1 sed b4 how it wud b gud if will smith waz playn wily wonka. dats jus stoopid, how can u hav a nigga play wonka?
RE: Too pale, Too straight
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on January 20, 2005 5:37 AM
A lot of Burton's movies are eye candy and have a wierd look to them. If you think I am on crack go look at Batman, Scissorhands or Nightmare Before Christmas. Why should this movie be any different?
I think JD has come a long way since his 21 Jump Street days. I am curious to see how he will pull this off.
RE: some of you are so damn stupid
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on January 27, 2005 7:01 PM
Dude, are you sane? The one that Dahl would have wanted? That's funny, I wonder why he didn't get 'the one he wanted' when he co-wrote the original screenplay and was actually on the set during the filming?
You probably liked the screen version on the Flintstones too, you goober.
RE: Original screenplay
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on January 27, 2005 7:19 PM
Dude, where did you get that line of shit from? Depp's personal hershey highway? If Dahl so utterly hated the originial--which he co-wrote--why the fuck would he hang out on the set during the filming? Just to get more pissed off? That is a bullshit thread that several dorks have brought up.
Depp is a goober.
Manson would have blown him out of the water.
Dead Kennedys rule. Wish they had done the soundtrack.
True to the book? Wonka's dad--WTF?
About Dahl...
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on February 1, 2005 12:52 PM
Just so you know, Dahl wasn't happy with the original version, and that's why they never made a movie version of "the Great Glass Elevator" since they never got the right to it. Now, stop judging this movie, which you have never seen, and make yourself useful, by leaving.
some people
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on February 1, 2005 7:51 PM
my god people! you are going to have to open your minds before you watch this movie!!! This isn't "willie wonka and the chocolate factory" (the 70's movie people like to watch on acid) this is "Charlie and the Chocolate factory" (a 2005 movie people will like to watch on acid)! 2 different movies, most likely pretty different stories, it would be stupid to go in expecting Gene Wilder to prance around for an hour and a half (isn't he dead?). Just chill out, take a couple hits and just watch the damn movie!
RE: some of you are so damn stupid
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on February 3, 2005 10:55 PM
Thank you for being smart about this. For one thing you are right because this is closer to the book. Also if anyone int his discussion is a true Tim Burton fan they would remember that he does NOT make remakes. If you remember Planet of the Apes 2001, he said it was his teak on that story rather than a remake of the original movies.
Oh My God
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on February 5, 2005 2:24 AM
I've never read such a ridiculous series of comments in my life. I don't know who you people are, but I suggest that the majority of you get a dictionary, you know, one of those big books filled with words? Spelling and grammer are obviously lost arts these days.
RE: You cant beat Perfection
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on February 6, 2005 9:35 AM
I agree, but now will see another version of perfection. The first was for kids, this one is for the adults and the author.
this is bullshit!!
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on February 6, 2005 10:55 PM
i am a willy wonka fanatic, but this movie doesn't even look like it is worth seeing. they said that it was going to be the same everything from the original movie, but it is not appearing to be that way. i refuse to see this. if they were going to make a sequel to it they should have done that in the 70s not in 2005. they could have used the same people for christ sake!!! p.s. the characters look like shit
MOVIE SETS TONE, NOT BOOK
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on February 16, 2005 1:31 PM
The book is the book is the book! Gene Wilder is the real Willy Wonka people know of the 70's and up till now. Even if the book was the best book in the world, it all comes down to the movie. This is where stars are born and history and careers are made. NOT THE BOOK. Look at Harry Potter. The writer is great, but what does she look like? Can you say HOLLYWOOD? Give the new movie a chance, but don't deminish the 1st movie because it strayed from the book. It is all about the movie and the reason is more people will see a movie than read a book. That is the fact! Without seeing the 2005 movie is unfair to pass judgement. When is the last time you sat down with a bucket of popcorn and read a book? Wilder was and is FANTASTIC! Give Depp a chance to give us a chuckle just for chuckle sake and end it there.
RE: RE:Willy Wonka
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on February 17, 2005 10:52 AM
Yeah, sure thing. And he also throws puppies in the crowds.
Uhm. NOT.
Fucking hell, what is it with the fucking stereotypes?! He had the guts to be himself and not the easily digested bullshit we see on TV daily.
Wish we got some honesty like this from fucking lawyers. The world would be so much fucking better.
RE: this is bullshit!!
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on February 17, 2005 5:50 PM
actually, the 70's version was sanctioned by roald dahl. he hated that version. it had a plethora of references to drugs and barely followed the story at all. there were no golden geese in the book! willy wonka did not spout lines from shakespeare and other assorted poems/pieces of literature. the oompa loompas were short black aborigines in the original story, but changed to short non-descript aborigines several years later when racism became a major social faux pas. the overall tone of the story was much, much funnier. if you don't believe me, actually read the book.
RE: this is bullshit!!
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on February 17, 2005 5:52 PM
the overall tone of the story is much funnier. i have no qualms in saying that tim burton's style will do justice to the project, so long as he stays true to the book, as has been constantly stated time and again.
RE: this is bullshit!!
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on February 20, 2005 3:40 PM
actually, the 70's version was sanctioned by roald dahl. he hated that version. it had a plethora of references to drugs and barely followed the story at all. there were no golden geese in the book! willy wonka did not spout lines from shakespeare and other assorted poems/pieces of literature. the oompa loompas were short black aborigines in the original story, but changed to short non-descript aborigines several years later when racism became a major social faux pas. the overall tone of the story was much, much funnier. if you don't believe me, actually read the book.
Blah blah blah same thing again and again, I got two words for you SHUT THE FUCK UP.
this movie will suck cock
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on February 21, 2005 5:26 PM
the first movie kicked ass, everyone is going to see the johnny depp version, it will suck dick then they will pretend they like it, then a month later everyone will forget about it, and then "oceans 13" will come out fuck remakes and fuck sequels to remakes, and fuck books books are for girls, and annoying ass high school kids.
Nowww..hang on....
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Posted by LetMeSeeNow (Balderdash@aol.com) on February 28, 2005 3:21 PM
Now I seriously doubt that Johnny Depp ruin Willy Wonka. I must especially point out that I believe Johnny's coat is a shade of RED, not brown...and even though I'm not of the contention that EVERY older movie needs to be 'refreshed', I do think this will be a very intriguing version. No, he doesn't look the part so much as Gene Wilder; but that's quite alright. I do agree with you that Johnny will act the part to the best of his abilities. We shall all see when it comes out!
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Posted by LetMeSeeNow (Balderdash@aol.com) on February 28, 2005 3:31 PM
I love the Gene Wilder version...I will probably very much like and accept the Johnny Depp version. What people MUST keep in mind is that this film is simply THAT...a film. Johnny Depp will do his best; he usually always does. My hat remains tipped to Gene Wilder with respect; but Johnny is the only actor TODAY who could recapture this character. I simply couldn't see anyone else taking this role now.
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on March 4, 2005 1:36 PM
manson is scary/sinister..manson is a fucking pussy..but glad they stuck to the book...its fucking harcore, industrial man..tim burton is wiser.depp is the only one that could play the role..PLUR
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on March 10, 2005 1:07 AM
'Not going to see this film, just going to get the original and best out, and watch it over and over.
There can be no other.'
you can't really say that the older one is the best if u don't even give the new one a chance to compare them
What are you all complaining about?
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on March 12, 2005 1:39 PM
Personally I cannot wait to see the movie and I am seeing the first showing, besides that: What are you all complaining about? Its a movie. It is not necessarily going to follow either the movie or the book, what movie can completely do that. I am going to look at it apart from them. It is a movie and should be viewed as any new movie should be. Whatever your reason for watching it judge it apart from the original and the book. One no directer can put everything from a book into a movie and they must make it original in some way (look at Harry Potter for instance). And second the first movie can never be recreated, but there can be a NEW movie on this book. I do not see why you all are fussing about it. I think it will be spectacular because of the director and the cast. Take it as IT is not as YOU think it should be, isn't that what most do to a NEW movie that they know nothing about?
(I know this doesn't help my point but Manson? I cannot imagine him being in a movie that loads of children are going to see... That may be why Johny Depp is the main guy, because if Manson acted some might not have seen it as well as Johny is a well known and especially good actor right now, many want to see his movies so that makes the rating and the numbers/money go up)
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on March 27, 2005 1:08 PM
I absolutely agree. I gor the original movie in 1986 when I was four and my Mum thought I'd hate it. How wrong she was! I virtually know every line, and I just know with absloute convition that I will hate the Depp version. Even from the trailer I can see that all the witty and yet dark responses Willy Wonka has are missing from the new one. The original was so wonderously crafted with Wonka's strange yet intriguing verse, often lines from famous origin,e.g. Shakespeare, that a 'dumbed down, Depp version will be tragic.
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on April 1, 2005 11:04 AM
i think that the first movie was great, but we wont know which one is better untill the new one acctually comes out. gene wilder was a great willy wonka, but i really like johnny depp. he can do good at almost any part. i think either this movie is gonna be really good or really bad, but we dont know yet. In my opinion, johnny depp will be awesome. this new movie will probobly be great unless they screw up the oompa loompas.
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on April 1, 2005 11:16 AM
just to clarify, tim burton is making his movie based on the book. it will NOT be a remake of the movie. So you people who loved the movie can watch willy wonka, and the book lovers can watch the REAL charlie and the chocolate factory. GO DEPP!
Willie Wonka and the Chocolate Factory
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on April 9, 2005 7:09 PM
wow. just, wow. its official. Depp is making a fool of himself.wow. He looked sort of like Michael Jackson in the trailer.wow
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on April 17, 2005 3:04 PM
I was a huge fan of the original book. I probably read it five times when I was a kid. I loved the illustrations.
I didn't like the movie as much for two reasons.
First, I didn't like the way the design of the Oompa Loompas. They were weird looking and ugly, although I understand why they could be like they were in the book. I am glad Burton has gone back to the drawing board when it comes to the Oompa Loompas.
The other thing I didn't like in the movie was the incident where Charlie disobeyed Wonka by drinking soda pop. My recollection was that Charlie was never naughty in the book.
I hope Burton stays closer to the book and isn't afraid to let Charlie be a goody-goody. In my mind, Charlie was a hero for goody-goodies and there is no shame in that.
Depp is art.
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on July 27, 2005 6:25 PM
Depp has covered such a broad range over his career. He is a fantastic choice for the part. It takes true-blue commitment to something to get the kind results Mr. Depp achieves. He transforms completely into his character without the arrogance of acting with a trademark that so many other actors feel compelled to incorporate into all their movies, i.e. an accent, phrase, look, etc. When Johnny takes on a role, any previous role he has played is nowhere to be seen. And that's very refreshing to me. He makes the effort to challenge himself. I have complete respect for Mr. Depp and am personally looking forward to the transformation of what was my latest experience, from "Captain Jack Sparrow" to this wonderful role. (I'm counting the days until Pirates of the Caribbean 2 and 3 as well.) I can't think of anyone better for the part. Johnny, you're a true actor and you bring fantastic talent to the screen. Thank you for your efforts.
Neeta
Honestly
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on July 28, 2005 8:58 AM
You all act as if it's the end of the world....if you don't want to watch the movie fine...but don't put others down just because they want to watch it. It's just a matter of opinion! Honestly some of the comments I've read on this post are insane.....it's just a movie, so let's not loose our heads! I liked the book,the '71 version and this one was terrific as well. But like I said, it's an opinion, so just get over it please.
Johnny Wonka Rocks!
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on July 28, 2005 10:07 AM
I really enjoyed the new Willy Wonka! I think there was DEFINITELY no other fit more for this role than Johnny Depp.
Johnny is THE most talented actor out there TODAY! He takes his roles and mixes other peoples characteristics into one character and makes that person his to where NO ONE could mock his personality. He is his own person I greatly admire that!
Tim Burton *did* give justice to this movie because he is a stinkin' GENIUS! He really brought this book to life!
I have seen this movie 3 times and cannot wait til it comes out on DVD! I could never watch the old Willy Wonka again!
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on August 4, 2005 3:14 PM
If you think that Depp is so gay, then why would you even go see the movie? I loved Johnny Depp in this movie. I thnk he did a great job with the role of Willy Wonka. He and Tim Burton are great together.
WW RAPED CHILDREN?!
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on August 6, 2005 10:15 AM
I got the impression this was a children book/movie, so, can you please explain this?!
Willy Wonka ROCKS!!!!!
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on August 9, 2005 5:05 AM
I love Willy Wonka! He is my favourite character! In fact he is the only deacent character in charlie and the chocolate factory! All the rest are boo boos! Charlie's ok. It's just that everyone else had a dig at poor Willy. And I'd like to shove T.N.T up their asses for dissin my darling Willy Wonka!
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on August 10, 2005 2:37 PM
AMEN!!! Johnny Depp was Once Upon a Time in Mexico. The movie was just ok..but with him it was GREAT!! I love him in everything including Willie Wonka. This was much better than original. And the boat ride in 1st one....who was smoking pot when they made that?
johnny depp a wanker
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on August 14, 2005 1:46 AM
Its the shittest movie downfall in johnnys career original rocked here we go pirates of the carribean 2 dissapointemt to the max willy wanker if they wanted a "evil" willy wonker they should of had Marilyn Manson because johnny looked white pale go back to edward sciscor hand you goon
Alright, I've had it
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on August 21, 2005 7:26 AM
I must say I am shocked and disappointed yet again by moviegoers of the world. You, the public, never cease to amaze me in your narrowmindedness and eagerness to shit on anything that's different from what you expect. Will people never stop complaining about the Oompa Loompas not being the moderately annoying orange butterballs of the 70's?
This movie is not a remake of the Gene Wilder classic (and classic it is)!!! It is NOT a sequel! This is Tim Burton's vision of a classic piece of literature. I find the man's style to be fascinating and very artful. He's true to the book, he even used the original Oompa Loompa songs from the novel. It's not BASED on the book, it's the movie version OF the book! The Gene Wilder version, while a very good movie, was nowhere near as true to the book as this one. And while Roald Dahl may have been on the scene, that doesn't mean that Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory is the DEFINITIVE version of Dahl's whimsical novel. But, I will say, NEITHER is Charlie and the Chocolate Factory (The movie). Different director's have different visions, but Tim Burton's work is much much MUCH truer to the book.
Next, I would love to see people stop picking at Johnny Depp's look in this movie. I thought it was perfect. Willy Wonka is an eccentric candymaking genius, so the funny haircut and the wierd clothes are to be expected. And the pale skin? The man had not been outside in several years, OF COURSE he's going to be pale. He doesn't look like Michael Jackson, and Marilyn Manson would NOT have been a better pick.
I deeply respect Mr. Depp for his amazing ability to completely disappear into his character when he does a movie. The man is one of the great actors of our time, and I wish the general populus was intelligent enough to be able to see talent. I'm not saying that Depp is the ONLY great actor, but he is definitely very talented. You don't have to like him, but he at least deserves to be recognized for his talent.
Now, I would personally be a very happy individual if the idiots of the world would realize that just because a movie isn't what they saw as a child, it's wrong. It's the attitude like that that got Pudding banned in Protestant England way back when. That attitude that causes people to become recluses and hermits and hate the world for not meeting their expectations. The people who refuse to be open to different versions of things will have an increasingly difficult time being happy. To really get the most out of life, it's important to be open and enjoy things for what they really are.
This is a beautifully done movie and a work of art. I for one will never forget it. I just wish I could do a simple web search without seeing people who have nothing better to do than to complain about things being different.
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on August 23, 2005 1:50 AM
you narrow minded little dweeb! y cant ppl leave him alone. he is a great actor and they werent trying to make him bloody evil. if u watch and concentrate you can see that he acts the way he does because of his troubled youth you plonker. and for all those ppl still complaining about the ump lumpas, i suggest u just read the damn book!
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on August 23, 2005 2:04 AM
i agree. i love both tim burton and johnny depp. i loved the first one but this one was fantastic and i dont even compare them because there is no point as they are completely different. if they were made by the same person i could see why ppl wud compare them. people need to realise that just because there is a new version out, that it doesn't change anything about the original we all know and love.
some small questions
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on August 24, 2005 12:11 AM
all those ppl who are still just complaining about the movie 1) why did you go and see it? 2)why bother comeing on this thing about the film if u dont like it? and 3)why are you so up your own ass that you can't except that other people have different ways of putting accross things. back when the first one was made, they did not have the technology to do what they have now and they couldn't make the umpa lumpas what it says in the book as there was issues about racism (hence the orange). im only 15 so i wasnt around wen it was made but i loved it all the same and now the original is my 2 year old sisters fave film but wen the new one comes out on dvd here in england i will show her and hopefully she will like them both the same. why cant u just accept that some people have different opinions about things and that tim burton, johnny and co could not have pleased everyone as that would have been impossible. as you can tell, i love both films as they both show great artistic ideas and should be appreciated
Charlie and the choc...
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on September 9, 2005 11:57 PM
Ok....I loved the movie and i hearted willy wonka more....I do not think it would have been the same if there if johnny depp was not cast as ww....not because he is "Like totally hot and awesome" but because he just had the weird factor growing and was very mysterious i guess....It was pretty good....
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on September 15, 2005 5:08 PM
Please take that damn stick out of your arse. who cares who is the bigger fan as long as people enjoy the movie, however your toxic attitude has all but extinguished my feelings for this movie. everything you are saying and doing isnt the attitude of the fan you claim to be, you should be trying to get people to understand your point of view not criticise.
RE: Willie Wonka and the Chocolate Factory
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on September 15, 2005 5:33 PM
FUCK YOU ASSHOLE I HOPE YOU GO AND DIE IN THE STREET.AND FURTHER MORE STOP EATING OUT OF MY GARBAGE CAN DIDNT YOUR MOTHER TEACH YOU ANY MANNERS IN BETWEEN BRINGER U UP AND HOOKING (that means prostituting cocksucker)YOUR JUST JEALOUS THAT YOUR NOT A FAMOUS FILM STAR ( feeling a little upset that your audition wasnt taken aye. POOR BABY! "i hope you get cancer i wont to watch you rot."
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on September 18, 2005 8:59 AM
What the fucking hell hell you mean 'there can be no other'? The 1971 version utterly sucked, no offence to Gene Wilder. You dont even know what the new ones like and its like, the best film of the year. Besides, you cant fent the old one out because everyone hated it so much every copies been burned. So sucks to you.
I have no F****** Subject!
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on October 3, 2005 10:28 AM
I LOVE THE OLD MOVIE AND THE NEW ONE, THE NEW ONE IS FUNNIER AND CLOSER TO THE BOOK, AND DEPP IS COOL IN IT ^_^. lol
2 separate movies.
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on October 27, 2005 4:44 PM
look. The reason Willy wonka and the CHocolate Factory was called Willy Wonka and the chocolate factory was because it was a musical adaptation of Raold Dahl's book. The Reason CHARLIE AND THE CHOCLATE FACTORY bears the same name as the book is because it is a DIRECT adaptation of the book. It is not a remake. It is not to be looked at as the same movie as Willy Wonka and the cf. they are 2 completely separate films. One is influenced by the book, the other is based on the book. Those of you who are comparing and contrasting the two are wasting your time. Both are great, classic movies and both deserve respect.
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on October 31, 2005 1:19 PM
i dont no y u people just wont get it together!!! sum1 in here is so mean. depp is a great person and you would not be happy if YOU were willy wonka in this movie now would you? huh,huh,huh??? now i might sound so totally gay and brainy but you stupid flippers better get the flip together you dumbnuts sincerly: napolean dynamite
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on October 31, 2005 1:35 PM
oh my gosh you dumb flippers. yes. i am the same person you just read on the paragragh before mines. anywayz, why cant you people just see depp on the flip side.*you guys are retarded, mean flippers.* one day depp is going to read this page and write back to all you people that you are flippin stupid. and he is sitting right next to me!!! dont believe me? hi this is jonny depp, and you people are flipping retards. retards. yeah double retards. you are gay. faggot faggot faggggooooot faggot faggot faggot faggot faggot faggot oooh yeah you know that you are feeling really crucnchy. go eat some peanutbutter!!!
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on November 14, 2005 4:22 AM
I loved both films. I too read the book first when I was about 6, and was glad to see the second film adhered more closely to it. I loved Gene Wilder as Willy Wonka, but think Depp brings his own interpretation into the character and makes it much deeper. The first movie freaked me more than this one did, probably cause I was a kid when I saw it. I loved the chocolate room in the newer version. For some reason the oompah loompahs bothered me in the newer film....they look like plastic beings!! Wonderful film. I'd watch it again.
Calm down, for christ's sake!
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on December 7, 2005 2:32 PM
Please people stop trying to kill each other! Yes, Gene Wilder's version was good but Tim Burton's is good also. I would also like to point out its not a remake but just another point of view on the book. For you people who want Manson to play the role, sorry it's too late, it's been given to Johnny Depp so quit whining like a five year old! And also to people who say Johnny Depp's gay, please get a life and a dictionary. And please don't use that lame comeback " I have a life", i mean get a proper life instead of this pathetic excistence you inhabit. Johnny Depp is a talented actor, very handsome and all round nice guy. Ok i have now finished my rant.
The Name Willy Wonka
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on September 9, 2006 10:15 PM
Roald Dahl told me that the name is based on a game, rather like frisbee, that he played as a child.
It was known as "Skilly Wonka", tho he had no idea why.
He said the name sounded a bit silly and he liked it, so he changed it to Willy Wonka so that he could use it in his book.
No important meanings to it, he liked the sound of it, and had good memories of the game he played as a child.
I've been living with the Charlie and the Chocolate Factory story for most of my life.
My REAL NAME is Charlie Wonka.
Yes, really.
I was a teenager when the book came out so I have first claim to the name(s).
You fools who giggle because the name reminds you of 'wanker' really ought to try to graduate from your 8th grade mentality.
Mr. Dahl created a number of great characters, and some wonderful stories for us all.
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on September 27, 2006 10:39 PM
He's not gay! why write that??? ohh well from my point of view: Johnny Depp as Willy Wonka is Really Great...!!! Marilyn Manson is not cute like him! well I think this movie is really beautiful, it's like a child dreams'... it's a fantasy movie, for children and all the people... Manson couldn't b there!!! the movie is great with Depp, a lot of people like him as Wonka, and it's true, he is really cute, handsome and sexy, not only like Willy Wonka; Jack Sparrow is sexy too! oh yes! He's a really really really great actor... Simply Wonderful!