Check these new character pics from the Tim Burton remake. Depp looks little, dainty compared to Gene Wilder's Wonka. Is that an Umpa? Images posted on Aintitcool.com until they were recently pulled down, but we've still got'em!
*I'm* looking foward to this movie. I've seen the original Willy Wonka and I absolutely love it - it's a CLASSIC!
I really think Tim Burton will do this movie justice. He's an excellent director!
And if you consider all of the different styles of characters that Johnny Depp has played, then you'd realize that he'd be great for the role of Willy Wonka. He's not just some bland big-name actor with no depth. He actually has talent!
I really think this will be a good movie. If anyone could pull it off, it would be Tim Burton.
Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on November 11, 2004 10:53 AM
"Depp looks more like Willy WANKER. What a poof!"
Sorry but I have to comment on this.
The minute I saw the thread link Willy Wonker I knew that somewhere even with only one comment the word Willy Wanker would appear. I was even prepared to write it myself if horror of horrors it didn't appear itself. Just goes to show that some names will always be mocked regardless of context. What possessed Dahl to give the main character a name with such easy derision attached to it. he might as well have called it Burt Forker. I am childish I know.
Anyway the film looks like it will keep fairly close to the book so good luck to I guess.
Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on November 12, 2004 10:31 AM
"The older movie was awesome. You cant fix perfection."
Nobody is trying to fix anything. If you really are true fans of the original, you should appreciate the creativity and work of Tim Burton. He's a genius, and so is Johnny Depp.
Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on November 12, 2004 11:15 AM
i think willy wonka was written in a simpler time, when children were innocent and didn't get any masturbation connotations.
But they *really* should have followed the description in teh book. not convinced by the costume, Wilder was good, but Depp has the potential to be better
Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on November 13, 2004 9:04 AM
the original was happy?!? what family did YOU grow up in that a sinister man like wilder's wonka is happy?? and the "punishments" to the kids were not happy or amusing. that boat ride was the most sinister thing going, as well.
Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on November 13, 2004 11:11 AM
If everyone read the book they would know there are many differences between it and the original movie. I think Burton is tring to make it more like the book, which is a good idea.
Look, I regard myself as a Wonka traditionalist. I am beside myself that Burton is making a remake. By the way, it's okay to resent that, and still think that Burton is a genius - which I don't, and still think that Depp is a genius - which I REALLY don't. They are talented, but genius? Come on! Orson Welles was a genius, Elia Kazan, another genius. Let's not go crazy here.
Gene Wilder is, and will always be Willy Wonka. End of story!
Posted by MClite (No Email) on November 13, 2004 7:17 PM
You have to keep in mind that this remake isn't a musical. This movie is following the Roald Dahl novel more closely than the first one and it will not be like the Gene Wilder movie was. Also keep in mind that it's being directed by Tim Burton so it'll be a little darker. Don't expect it to be like the original because it won't be.
Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on November 14, 2004 6:58 AM
Ask anyone what an Umpa Lumpa looks like and they'll say an orange midget with green hair. It might have been different in the book but the movie version is what everyone remembers.
Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on November 14, 2004 7:42 AM
"Look, I regard myself as a Wonka traditionalist."
Without refering to the book or movie could you use this sentence in any other context without sounding odd.
Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on November 14, 2004 11:20 AM
Whoever left one of the first comments about the oompa loompas, have you actually read this book? What totally ruined the first version of this movie way back when was the stupid midgets with orange skin and green hair singing crap limmericks. They, thank god, were not in the book. Tim Burton stayed as true to the book as possible, name and all. This movie will be so much better than the original.
Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on November 15, 2004 2:40 AM
running the place. Johnny Depp is a grea actor but why change a masterpiece. They should have had him play Charlie in the Factory and maybe a new contest if they can not come up with new ides. I should have wrote the damn thing myself.
Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on November 15, 2004 4:33 AM
Johnny Depp will transform this version into THE version. He does it every time, and if you dont know this, then prepare to find out. Take a look at a handfull of his other roles - Sam in 'Benny and Joon' for example, or Agent Sands in 'once upon a time in mexico'. Dont knock Depp. He's the most talented actor around, and he's a lovely lovely guy.
Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on November 15, 2004 6:23 AM
I loved the original and its demented/twistedly innocent nature, however it strayed very far from the book in so many ways. I hope this new one steps a little closer to the story and includes some of the tibits that were originally cut out in the first one. Depp is a very talented actor although at times he can't ALWAYS save a movie. (Once Upon A Time In Mexico wasn't THAT great.) Tim Burton is a directorial genius. I have no doubt in my mind that together again, they will recreate Willy Wonka into a masterpiece. Personally, I hope they make the lesser known sequel book into a movie as well "Charlie and the Great Glass Elevator" where the elevator went into space, Charlie and family ran into Vermicious Kinids, and they travelled deep underneath the factory to a place called Minusworld, I believe. Gosh Dahl was awesome!
Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on November 15, 2004 10:16 AM
Some of you people seem like the type that watch the movies instead of the reading the books, then complain when your professor calls you on it by failing your essay.
I absolutely love the original movie, and I read the book years ago before I had even seen it. The first movie was based _loosely_ on the book. Yes, the movie was great, but it tore the book apart, and made it much lighter so that some song and dance could be added to make it a little kid's movie.
I'm confident Tim Burton and Johnny Depp are going to do the book plenty of justice, and I hope that more of you will realize the difference in the two movies. I'm looking forward to seeing a movie _of_ the book, not a musical _about_ the book.
Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on November 15, 2004 2:06 PM
if the seccond pic is deep roy then... the guys an oompa loompa! to bad i was expecting more from tim B, but maybe thats how the book describes them...?
Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on November 15, 2004 2:20 PM
i have to admit that even though i am a huge johnny depp fan and love the origanal movie, and i have alot of faith in tim burton. i am very worried about the new movie...depp looks ridiculus and i dont think you can compare depp to gene wilders "willy wonka"
Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on November 15, 2004 2:48 PM
Depp is the main source of evil for this movie. Tim burton took the book to the extreme, thus in turn ruining the orignal feel of the first movie. Depp is a homo anyway!
Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on November 15, 2004 2:50 PM
Damn right and manson would have made a better wonka, and depp will ruin the name of burton and willy wonka. I dont even want to eat the candy anymore, because of Johnny Homo.
Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on November 15, 2004 5:43 PM
Well the reason that Oompas dont have green hair is because that's not how they were in the book. They can't blatently copy the first film, but they can't have african pygmi slaves like in the book either as that's a lil un PC ;)
Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on November 15, 2004 9:58 PM
the reason that none of the pictures look like the old movie is because burton is going directly from the book!!! when he had the person write the script he told him to just read the book and not watch the movie. when has burton ever let us down? not with the first two batmans or beetlejuice and not with BIG FISH!! when did depp let us down?? not in edward scissorhands or ed wood and DEFINITELY not in pirates of the caribbean...how can looking at pictures give any sort of justice what these professionals are creating???
Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on November 16, 2004 5:47 AM
Alright. Who was it that started this strange notion that Manson could ever act, let alone play the part of Willy Wonka?
Depp is one of the best actors of our time, and you're saying that Manson should play the role instead?
Also, yes Depp looks a little fruity, but that's no reason to curse or toss around the term 'gay' so freely. Surely you have enough brains to express yourself without cursing or personally insulting a person who's just doing his job. Honestly, it's just a movie! (A movie that I'm very much looking forward to, but just a movie nonetheless.)
Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on November 16, 2004 6:15 AM
Where's everyone getting the idea that the book was really dark and disturbing from? Ok, it was a little politically incorrect by todays standards but not nearly as creepy as some parts of the film.
Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on November 16, 2004 6:45 AM
Geez, there are a lot of "Willy Wonka" fans that don't realize that the book was written before the movie. How can you be "beside yourself" that there this new movie is going to be more faithful to the book? Before complaining about who is cast and who the director is, read the book and watch the original movie. You will see discrepancies and realize that Depp is a much more faithful looking Willy Wonka than Gene Wilder was. Willy Wonka was a thin, eccentric, wiry man... not a blond-haired, round-faced vocalist. Also, the Oompa-Loompas did sing songs in the book.
Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on November 16, 2004 12:05 PM
My guess is that guy in orange is an oompa loopa for the WonkaVision scene... which could explain the criss-crossing Vs on his suit. Except there are four and only should be three.
Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on November 16, 2004 2:00 PM
THE FILM IS NOT A REMAKE. I REPEAT: THE FILM IS NOT A REMAKE.
It's clear who isn't a REAL fan and who is a real fan. The ones who aren't real fans are the ones saying it's a remake of a masterpiece and whatnot.
Any REAL Willy Wonka fan knows that Johnny's version is actually following the book. This is the version Roald would have wanted. I bet some of you fake fans didn't even know that Roald actually hated Gene Wilder's version.
Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on November 17, 2004 4:49 AM
That's already been said by someone. Anyway, why's everyone getting so angry about who's the bigger Willy Wonka fan? "Oh, I've read the book so I'M a bigger fan than you and my opinion matters more!" Why don't you all grow up a bit?
Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on November 17, 2004 5:24 AM
Marilyn Manson tried out for Willy Wonka and him and Johnny Depp were the last two choices for the part.
Obviously Burton wanted Depp for some unknown reason...maybe its Manson's rep that didn't get him the part...
Im sure the movie will turn out fine, some will be disapointed but Burton tends to follow the story, not the movie made before it so it sohuld prove very interesting.
Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on November 17, 2004 7:31 AM
Come on plz, the original movie kept to the book and did it more justice than anything could....
I just wanna see Tim Burton gothic the fuck out of it and make it bizzarre and trippy, Dnt care if he doesnt have charlies grandad jumper the right colours. he can put him in a gimp outfit...i really wanna know though is danny elfman doin the score?????? cas then id love it :)
Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on November 17, 2004 7:33 AM
me again lol, marilyn manson did not try and pull off willy wonka, if u refere to the smells liek children art work hes trying to be the gimp outta chitty chitty bang bang . the child snatcher... but tbh i think hed make a more twisted willy wonker. i just hope johhny can freak ppl after his recent movies.
Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on November 17, 2004 12:58 PM
Um. this looks like such a sorry group of characters. even johnny depp, who normally is awsome.. first off, people have to understand that willy wonka was about the hair do's. no one has hair like gene wilder. it was his hair alone that made willy wonka so bad ass.
Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on November 19, 2004 1:24 PM
Damn people, get it through your heads that it's not a remake of the film...if it was it would be called Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory. This is Charlie and the Chocolate Factory...from the book...that thing with pages and words...that you have to read...
Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on November 19, 2004 3:19 PM
First of all, before you all get your heads shoved too far up your asses and run around saying "they aren't following the book, they're making parts of the movie creepier than they should be"... READ THE BOOK.
Second of all, how can any of you make a judgement that "parts of the movie are too creepy in comparison to the book" when YOU HAVE YET TO SEE THE MOVIE. That's like saying "man the year 2005 was great, except when my Grandma got hit by a tractor". You just make yourself sound even more like someone who should have been an abortion.
Thirdly, Burton and Depp have already publically stated that it isn't there intention to try to upstage the original, because it's obvious that the original, and Gene Wilder, are classics.
Now pull your little panties out of their bunches and find something more worthwhile to do than get online and whine about a movie based on a book that most of you probably didn't even know existed.
Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on November 20, 2004 11:29 AM
ok, this movie is NOT the remake of the classic movie Willy Wonka and the Chcolate Factory, in fact, this movie is based on the BOOK. If you watch the movie and then read the book, they are very different. I think this movie is going to be great, more dark like the book, and Tim Burton is going to do an awesome job!
Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on November 20, 2004 6:38 PM
Well if you followed either the book OR the movie, he was a recluse and stayed shut up inside all the time. Tell me where he would have got a sun tan from ???
Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on November 20, 2004 10:59 PM
ok, i know it's been said in someway, but burton actually read the book before working on the film. he saw the 1st film and concluded that his was much darker. oh and as a side note, those of you calling depp gay, are real a-holes. the man is a super talented actor and a really nice guy.
Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on November 21, 2004 12:02 AM
I loved the original and the book even though they are different in many ways. i'm sure fi I am going to be able to watch the Burton version without picturing gene wilder as wonka. and many of the other characters. however, I am a huge fan of burton and depps work so I am intersted in seeing his take on the movie. Hopefully it will live up to the hype its getting.
Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on November 21, 2004 12:40 AM
Ooompa Loompa's didn't actually have green hair OR Orange faces. This was a book first, remeber, and in the book, Oompa Loompas had white faces with golden brown hair. which this guy still doesn't look like.
Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on November 21, 2004 3:17 AM
Look, we all know that this whole thing was originally a book, it's just that regardless of that many of us enjoyed the original film's interpretation of the Oompa Lumpas. Why don't you all get off your high horse about it?
Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on November 21, 2004 5:47 AM
If you saw the Gene Wilder version without reading the book, it's likely that you consider it to be "the" authentic version. If you read the book first, you may have been disappointed with the movie. I consider the book to be "the real thing," but have grown to appreciate the movie as well.
I think that Burton is brilliant, that Depp is unbelieveably talented, and that therefore it's impossible to predict what the new movie will be like. For the most part, I'm expecting the unexpected, expecting only to enjoy it hugely -- on its own merit, not in competition with the book or the first movie.
Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on November 21, 2004 8:03 PM
Who cares if it's not the "original"? I LOVE the original too, but this movie is not a cheap imitation at all. It will be totally different in most aspects. Any sorry Gene, Johnny's shown way more creativity in his acting, and Tim Burton and he are both GENIUSES as other posters have said.
Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on November 22, 2004 10:22 AM
The problem with Hollywood today is that the studio heads are too chicken-$#!t to try something new. This film may not be a remake in your eyes, but A) the story line, title, and characters have already been captured on celluloid. B) CATCF already has a fan base. C) CATCF was originally a book therefore, a “remake” - not an original script.
I have learned not to second-guess a Depp performance; no matter what role he creates. He can be in one of my movies any day. You can’t go wrong with a Burton-Depp-Elfman-Neill or Owen (makeup) combination. Guys that make fun of the very talented AND beautiful tend to be lashing out because they are jealous.
And in conclusion: THANK GOD IT’S NOT A MUSICAL!!! Not that Depp could not pull it off, because I have all confidence in him, but I tend to squirm while a single thought is being repeatedly dragged out for 3 & ˝ minutes.
Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on November 22, 2004 10:45 AM
I hve a few things to say...
One) You cannot go into the film expecting it to be better, no one could do that, you have to expect difference, it will be different, still good, still entertaining, but different, Burton did not go out and try to make it better, it has been said by himslef and Depp they could not make it better, just different...now that you have that understood...
even though he is following more closely to the book, it does not mean he is going presicely by the book...so what if the oopma loompas arent exactly the same, so what if willy wonka doesnt look like the books description to a t...the whole story in general will be closer to the book than the original...so stop complaining about how it isn't ever going to be better than the first, or how it isn't exactly as the book...it is a film made by a talented man, with many talented actors which will be a very good movie...just let the complaining rest, and shit, the movie isnt even out yet...nor is it even done filming....
Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on November 22, 2004 11:11 PM
I have a song sung by manson. This song is off wily wonka. The song that is sung in the tunnel. How the hell can you explain this? Is it manson? or is it johnny fag?
Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on November 23, 2004 9:35 PM
the kid who played peter [not peter pan] in finding neverland. depp recommended the kid after working with him in finding neverland. check out imdb.com
Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on November 24, 2004 12:45 PM
I'd just like to say well done to you for telling everyone to bloody well calm down. People started to get a bit over the top on some of their remarks especially to do with the Willy WANKER stuff *yawn*. Nobody expects remakes to be better than the original, different directors just want to try it their own way and alter the look. Any fans of Tim Burton's work like myself will be eager to see what he has done with this film. I do have to agree with some people that Johnny Depp does not look his best in this film but that's one of the reasons I admire him, he is an amazing actor and not afraid to act the weirdo of the film like in Edward Scissorhands or Benny and Joon for example. Oh and also, some of you people writing your own comments should learn that everyone has their own opinions and you can't force your own onto someone else, no one can be right when are expressing your own thoughts.
Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on November 24, 2004 3:04 PM
And I just can't hide it!.....
Lol oh my god I can not wait. Roald Dahl's Charlie and the Chocolate factory is awesome, The 70's Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory is awesome, and god is Johnny Depp awesome! When I heard he was doing this I cried a little. :)
I cannot wait. So excited!!!
Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on November 24, 2004 5:33 PM
Johnny Depp actually almost turned the part over to The Anti-Christ Superstar, but Manson turned it down. Now that would have made the movie about 50x darker than Depp's version.
Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on November 26, 2004 10:38 AM
This is not a true re-make of the Willy Wonka and the Chocolate factory movie, it is adapation of Charlie and the Chocolate factory-The original book. If anyone has read this book, they would notice that there is quite a difference in the Gene Wilder version compared to the book. This movie is rumored to be more like the book, thus it's title "Charlie and the Chocolate Factory".
I am very optimistic of it's turn out. The pics look great.
I happen to like the new oompa loompas! (Although he does look like something out of mork and mindy)
Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on November 27, 2004 5:49 PM
I loved the old movie as much as the next person.. But this movie is meant to be a different adaptation of the book, not at ALL a remake of the movie... Compare Johnny to Gene all you want, but Tim Burton, along with his dream team of Johnny, Helena Bonham-Carter, and Danny Elfman, will create a new filmthat only a film maker and an actor with such talent and perspective can successfully pull off.
Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on November 27, 2004 5:54 PM
THANK you for pointing out the genius of such creative contributors to the film industry. I can't spell contributors correctly, but I can show my appreciation nonetheless.
For those of you true Johnny fans out there, he was nominated for the Golden Globe for his transvestite-director title role as Ed Wood, again with Tim. :)
Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on November 28, 2004 2:49 AM
I keep seeing that name. Who is that? And someone once floated a rumor that Marilyn Manson would play Willy Wonka. Can he even act? Is he an actor? Do people still like that tired, played-out piece of shit loser?
okay on the oompa loompas, they arent really dressed like that during the whole movie, they are only suited up such as in those suits during one scene because in the book "Charlie and the Chocolate Factory", it says "then the oompa loompas came in dressed in bright red space suits wearing helmets and goggles" but that was during when they meet mike teavee i think...
Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on November 28, 2004 3:27 PM
youre the gay one. johnny rox and just cos your so insecure with your sexual feelings doesn't mean that everyone is a homo. go suck cock, johnny Depp will rock this movie!!!! we luv u Johnny, devoted fans.
Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on November 28, 2004 4:56 PM
I believe that if people judge this movie based on the older movie, than they should sit down and read the book. The book was amazing and people should stop being lazy and stop judging this movie before they see it.
Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on November 28, 2004 5:00 PM
I wish we could get a decent live action/cgi version of Dahl's other masterpiece. That horrible stop-motion version was so disappointing. (And mind you, I *loved* "Nightmare Before Christmas.")
Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on November 28, 2004 9:14 PM
i don't think johnny depp is a genius. he may be a good actor.. but genius? i mean, he doesn't write the scipts to the movies, he just reads them. And most people only really "loved" him after he was in Pirates of the Carribean. He wasn't huge and loved and talked about alot when he was in Edawrd Scissorhands and Once upon a time in Mexico. Im soryy if i offend you Depp "lovers", but he is not a genius.
P.S - I would like to see Burton do a twisted version of The Wizard Of Oz. that might be fun to see.
Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on November 29, 2004 4:49 PM
WE FUCKING KNOW ALREADY!!!
Jesus! people have been saying the same thing for the last 100 posts!
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Well sorry. Who the hell has time to read all these damn posts.
Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on November 30, 2004 9:22 AM
are you kiddin me you killed it...willy wonka was a classic to remember but now your ruining it...maybe if you kept the same characters an the same look for them like the green hair for the ooppa loompas an the orange skin then this would be a+ but this sucks....
Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on November 30, 2004 11:53 PM
To those arguing about the Oompa Loompas,
If y'all care to see...
How Roald Dahl *originally* depicted the Oompa Loompas in the first editions of the book is discussed here (along with the controversy that caused the publishers to ask Dahl for revisions to the Oompa Loompas a decade after the book was first published).
Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on December 2, 2004 10:06 AM
I HAVE TO BE THE BIGGEST FAN, of not only Tim Burton's Films, & Johnny Depp, But Ronald Dahl's book Willy Wonk and the Chocolate factory is one the most amazing kids books to ever be released! I bet my money on it that this movie is going to be a MASTERPIECE
Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on December 3, 2004 3:33 PM
I would just like to point something out to all of you fuckers, Roald Dahl wrote the first movie, it was his vision on film. H ewnated it to be different from the book so don't go saying that they tore the book apart in the original because tearing it apart would be some dbag going and doing whatever they felt to the novel, the fact that Dahl did it makes it ok because it's his own literature. Second of all this isn't a remake of the original, it's a new telling of the book, totally different concept all together, kind of like how Planet of the Apes was not a remake but a "reimagining" yes I know it sucked but whatever. Let Tim make the movie and if it's a failure whatever. All I know is I'll be at the midnight show if there is one. Now you can all go to hell
Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on December 3, 2004 7:15 PM
To end all these arguments about oompa loompas and how the characters dont match up to the book, this movie will be a more faithful adaptation of the book than the original! The guy that wrote the screenplay, John Augest, has never seen the orgiginal movie and only based it on the book. This movie has been promised to be a darker adaptaion, like the book. Next time you go on a wild rant, why dont you know what you talking about
Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on December 3, 2004 11:49 PM
There was an earlier comment made that everyone needs to look at. If not, then I'll repeat it for ya. The first Chocolate Factory movie wasn't soley based off of Dahl's book. Burton is changing that and is going to be more loyal to the book. If you loved the original, then read the book and go see this one because with Tim Burton directing it and Johnny Depp in it, it's sure to hit big!
Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on December 4, 2004 12:04 PM
Look, let me calmly explain this to you people who seem to be color blind. Johnny isn't pale in the movie. It only looks that way because of the color of the awesomely made costume he's wearing. Take an art class or something cunts and learn about your fuckin' colors! :)
Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on December 5, 2004 10:55 AM
Johnny Depp is an excellent actor, Tim Burton is an excellent director and Roal Dahl was an excellent writer. That's why I'm looking forward to this film. Gene Wilder's Wonka was impressive, but I never got the darker feel in that film that I get when reading the book. That is why this film is perfect for Burton. I'm not sure if it's been said already, but the picture of the Oompah Loompah appears to be the guy who plays Mr Soggybottom in Burton's Big Fish.
Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on December 5, 2004 1:06 PM
If you've read the book you'd know that the Umpa Loopma's weren't orange and green. There were tiny goldenish (tan?) people. And there were women and children too.
Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on December 6, 2004 8:45 AM
my original choice for willy wonka was marilyn manson. but that was cause i was hoping for a darker version of the story like the book. not the wilder version
Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on December 6, 2004 10:15 AM
If Depp is so much worse than Manson then why are they inseperable. If you call Depp gay then Manson must be his lover. As for the movie Tim Burton does not do "remakes" he only makes masterpeices and the team of Depp and Burtin should produce a truly magnificent movie.
Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on December 6, 2004 3:09 PM
FUCK YEA MANSON HSOULD HAVE BEEN WILLY WONKA..IT WUD BE THE GRATEST MOVIE THEN.
HED DEFFINITLY PLAY BEST AS WILLY WONKA...I SAW MANSON 2 WEEKS AGO AT STARLAND BALLROOM NJ..HES FUCKING ASWOME MAN
Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on December 6, 2004 3:39 PM
manson is thr greatest fucking person ever.he wud fucking make this movie into the fuckign
(sic)est shit ever!!!i saw him like 3 times starland and ozzfest!!!
Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on December 7, 2004 5:31 AM
"Tim Burton does not do "remakes" he only makes masterpeices"
What about Planet of the Apes? If I recall that was a remake and was hardly a masterpiece. Also, Manson is no actor, get over it.
Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on December 7, 2004 6:50 AM
I like both Johnny Depp, and Tim Burton. First off, Johnny Depp has more experience than Manson. Remember Edward Scissorhands? That was a great movie and wasn't it by Tim Burton.
If they want to do a Manson version, that'd be cool too. It would be like a freaky horror film. I'd love it if they did both, frankly. I'm a Johnny Depp, Tim Burton, Roald Dahl, and Marilyn Manson fan and proud of it.
Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on December 7, 2004 7:30 AM
IT IS A REMAKE. No one is trying to 'fix' anything. As already said a completely different approach has been taken with this- get real, its Tim Burton and the awesome Johhny Depp! Whoever Nov13 at 6.09 said Johnny Depp is 'pure genius', he so is.
Whoever is having doubts about Tim Burton and Johnny Depp in 'Charlie and the Chocolate Factory' (July 15th US, July 29th UK 2005) should seroiusly go rent some Tim Burton and Johhny Depp collaborations-'Edward Scissorhands', 'Sleepy Hollow'. Johnny Depp rocks in 'Pirates Of The Caribbean: The Curse Of The Black Pearl'. If you haven't seen it why not! I have every faith in this remake, i am so excited about it.
Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on December 7, 2004 7:35 AM
JOHNNY DEPP IS IN CHARACTER. He doesn't look kike a poof or whatever, whoever said that.
Thats what actors/actresses do, they get made over as a character so that they can play the role and it adds more to the role.
Would you have preferred Captain Jack Sparrow without the pirate costume/makeup. Or maybe Edward Scissorhands without the Scissorhands.
Think!
Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on December 8, 2004 5:05 PM
If you're dissappointed about how they look, you really must remember that THIS IS NOT A REMAKE. Yeah so no need to compare movies because they WILL NOT be the same.
Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on December 9, 2004 6:17 AM
I think that comment just sums up the general stupidity that some of you folk seam to be holding on to.
Having just read the entire conversation, I think it's fair to say;
Stop taking this whole thing quite so seriously.
Those of you who want to see the film, you'll see it and I hope you enjoy it, those devotees of the first film, don't see it and reminisce over the first film.
The original was a fantastic book, the film of this book was (as a piece of filmography) very good, Burton's new film, will (I hope) be equally as good, but I will not be comparing the two. There is no point. At all. Like many of you have said. The "original" film was quite far away from the book, but I think you'll agree that it was still a good film. Those of you who are so (strangely) aggravated by the thought of the remake...why such hostility? Do you feel the same about the Lord of the rings/ shall you feel the same about the up-and-coming "Phantom of the opera" This film (Phantom) is said to be a "re-make" of the musical and not the book, as such, are we to protest?
NO! - We’ll embrace what we're being offered.
Do we not?
- As far as im aware, none of you, or myself, are Johnny Depp, Burton, or indeed in quite the same business as them, so how can we give them such agro? They are both very good in their chosen fields,
as was Dahl,
and wilder.
Lets remain broad-minded guys?
It’s a big world.
Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on December 10, 2004 9:36 AM
this willy wonka movie will be better than the that came out in 1971,
no offense to the oringinal willy wonka(gene wilder) but johnny depp will make a way better willy wonka than him.
plus i'm so excited that johnny is doing 2 more movies with tim because burton is my most favorite director of all time.
what is it about tim's films that make him my favorite director......oh wait he used johnny depp in some of his movies DUH........go johnny we love you!!!!
Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on December 10, 2004 3:04 PM
The screenwriter for this film read the book and wrote the play NEVER HAVING SEEN THE 1971 VERSION (though, he must have lived in a closet somewhere all these years... you can't escape that movie...). Therefore, it is not intended to be a remake of the 1971 film, but a film interpretation of Roald Dahl's original text. So, get over your clouded preconceptions and just watch the movie when it comes out and enjoy... bah...
Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on December 11, 2004 3:56 PM
well i dont no about tim burton i dont like his style of directing heaps but if its halph as good as edward scissor hands its good it looks awsome though i dont get hu was singing the wsong in the trailor and does n e one no if its gonna be the musical
Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on December 12, 2004 5:47 AM
I'd just like to point out the fact that Johnny Depp is after totally ruining Willy Wonka!!!!! Willy Wonka has a PURPLE jacket, if im not mistaken i do believe Johnny Depp's is BROWN! if you havent noticed the colour makes a slight difference?!?!?!?! As much as i like J depp, he doesnt look like the part but i say he'll act the part to his best, which will be quite cool! Cant wait to actually see it!! DEAD KENNEDYS rock!!!!!!!!!!!!1
Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on December 13, 2004 7:29 AM
those of you who think Gene Wilder played the best Willy Wonka, you're right and wrong. Gene Wilder fit the perfect role for a happy willy wonka, but if you ask me or anyone we all know Johnny Depp would fit the role for a wired quirky willy wonka. the 1971 version was an altered version of the book, Burton is doing the Book version it's not that hard to understand. so if you're arguing about whos better as wonka just read this and look at "who'd be better for each of the 2 roles", Gene for a happy wonka, Johnny for a Quirky wonka. Gene wilder was yesterday sadley enough but c'mon Johnny Depp is today, be happy it wasn't anyone like Orlando Bloom or Decaprio playing wonka. Johnny Depp has played more roles than almost anyone is hollywood, from a Notorious Cowboy Criminal to an Astronaut to an unstable pirate. Face it Johnny Depp is todays Willy Wonka and they coulnd't have chosen anyone better to play Wonka.
Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on December 13, 2004 10:08 AM
I don't think it's a matter of trying to out-do or re-do the first one -- i think it's a matter of, here is someone else's version of it, their take on the story. it doesn't mean it's better or worse than the first one, just means it's Tim Burton's outlook on it, so respect him for his viewpoint -- i'm sure it's not about trying to be a *better one* than Gene Wilder's. Obviously it's a classic, and no one can out-do a classic.
also-- WHERE IS NOAH TAYLOR'S CHARACTER? and if Christopher Lee is playing Wonka's father, how can you knock this version already when we have such quality actors like Lee?
Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on December 14, 2004 5:43 AM
Gene Wilder's version of Willie Wonka wasn't happy, it was really bizarre and twisted. Also, in the trailer Wonka says he hates chewing gum the most. Why does he make it then?
Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on December 14, 2004 8:48 AM
r u a freaking moron. I luv johnny depp and tim burton, but he just ruined this movie. i mean "chewing gum i think is grose.Chewing gum i hate the most" thats not bad willy wonka would say that. but he is suposed to have a PURPLE suit not MAROON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on December 14, 2004 12:22 PM
technically the orginal edition had the oompa loompas come from a small part of africa. But do to racism and slavery a 2nd edition was released with oompa loompa's as hiipy like folk.
Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on December 15, 2004 11:49 AM
For those who commented that Dahl wrote the original screenplay, so what was on screen was the film he wanted to make...
The studio was very unhappy with the Dahl screenplay, so David Selzer was brought in to compltely rewrite it (he introduced the whole Slugworth plotline) and Newley and Bricusse were commisioned to write brand new songs to turn it into a musical (which wasn't the original intention).
Dahl was furious with this treatment, and as a result pulled the rights to the "Glass Elevator" sequel.
What is up there is, in my opinion, absolutely fantastic (and one of my favourite films) - but it certainly isn't what Roald Dahl wanted the film to be.
Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on December 15, 2004 8:46 PM
I just saw the trailer and his big teeth and mannerisms, especially on the bubble-gum line, he looks SOO much like someone but I can't place who!!! Maybe the chick who was in Amelie.
Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on December 15, 2004 10:58 PM
that's why they're not FIXING anything; they're taking a different approach. the cinematography, the characterization, the costuming, the visuals in general, the story line, and the inclusion of details are very different. it will be another look at the novel, not an improved take on the movie.
seriously now, why are people picking favorites here? both movies have the same plot line, but some things have changed, thats all. i personally love gene wilder and the 1971 version, and im totally excited about the new one, because Johnny Depp+Tim Burton= great movie. Johnny will be different at Willy than Gene was, but it will still be good. Everyone should give it a chance whether you enjoy johnny depp or not.
Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on December 16, 2004 6:05 PM
I agree with you. Noone is trying to "fix perfection". That's why this is called a remake and not a revision. This is just another version. If you liked the 1st time, but you don't go see this one how do you call yourself a fan? You can't completely be a fan without being open to other versions. Maybe this one will be a little bit closer to the book. I think noone can replace Gene Wilder,but that doesn't mean I don't think that Johnny Depp could be just as good.
Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on December 16, 2004 6:59 PM
hello everybody how long is your dick because ill like to suck it its me the boy that is soooooooo horney for mr wonka i got some good new i learned that the oopa loompas love i mean love getting it up the ass because were at my house wit mr wonka and charlie and charlies grampa he real ruff we had so much fun but fucking each other and sucking each others dick oooooo man im sooo horney im rubbing my nipples and my dick at this moment oooooooooooo yes my little hand yes ooo that feels good were my poster of mr wonka wit the holes for me dick il brb............ok im putting my dick in the hole nowoooooooooooooooo see ya later im to busy having fun
Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on December 17, 2004 7:07 AM
The role of Wonka needs someone the kids can look up to, a role model they can trust and have faith in. Depp fits the bill, he is an excellent choice. I have not only seen the original film, but have read both the book and it's sequel, Charlie & the Great Glass Elevator, which I am sad was never made into a movie. All that matters now is that the magical Mr Wonka is back to delight a new generation!
Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on December 17, 2004 9:45 PM
Yes Danny Elfman is doing score...Did you watch the trailer? Can't you tell his music anywhere? I just wanted to say that yes Depp does look a little bit like Manson, but did anybody else get that Clockwork Orange feel from him as well? Watching the trailor I felt like Burton took the one really creepy scene from the first movie and made the whole thing like that. Well we will all know what its like in June when its out.
Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on December 18, 2004 12:34 PM
The characters have great costumes for this movie, and Johnny Depp looks very funny(The right kind of person). I can't wait to see the Oompah Loompah's.
Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on December 18, 2004 8:12 PM
"i mean, he doesn't write the scipts [sic] to the movies, he just reads them."
Really, if you believe it to be so simple to act well then you must live in a fantasy world.
You should really try directing actors for film at least once... you'll quickly see that it takes a very special talent for a performer to act well, and yes--I would say it takes a level of genius to not only act well but also consistently create new believable characters.
Johnny Depp's range of ability is mind-blowing from a professional point of view. Stop and think about the variety of characters he's portrayed, each one defined by personality traits he's given them, that he's cultivated based on the script. The script is lifeless without the 'genius' of a talented actor.
Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on December 19, 2004 1:47 AM
Actually, R.D. wrote the first draft of the script to the "original". Once it was complete and turned over to the movie studio, they changed it. He never intended for this movie to be a musical, that was added to peak interest from kids. He was incredibly unsatisfied with the original. When the studio decided to make the "remake", the R.D. estate basically said, only if Tim directs it. I have no idea if this will be more or less like the first one, but what does it matter? I will go see it because I love Tim.
Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on December 19, 2004 8:55 AM
Thank you! I've been checking out various chat boards and what not.. and all I've seen is bad comments about it. When I first saw the trailer to this, I almost freaked out. Tim Burton is my favorite director in the world.. he just has the stuff to pull ANYTHING off. And with Depp as Wonka, he can definately pull this off. I can't wait til July.
Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on December 19, 2004 10:21 AM
So you didn't like the trailer? I don't know about anyone else but when I was a kid I hated musicals, I always thought the songs got in the way of the story.
Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on December 19, 2004 11:20 PM
tim burton is the best. Four words "The Nightmare Before Christmas". the best movie ever. therfore, it will be one of the great movies that will come out int the greatest year of movies, 2005
Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on December 20, 2004 6:58 AM
I like the older version with gene wilder... or how his name is. But I think that with Johhny Depp the movie can be awsome.. just like the older one... but I do hope that the oompa loompa's are pretty much the same
Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on December 21, 2004 7:53 PM
you guys are missing the point. they are trying to re create it not follow it exaclt word for word. so go screw yourselves, this movie is gunna be awesome
Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on December 22, 2004 8:09 PM
When the writer of Charlie and the Chocolate Factory saw the first version of the movie he was greatly dispointed because it was way darker than his book was. So what I would be expecting is a fun, light hearted movie...not dark like the first one.
Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on December 25, 2004 12:37 AM
I'm a Marilyn Manson fan, but I don't think he would've done justice. I believe Johnny Depp will do great, he's a wonderful actor. Think about what you all are saying, you haven't even seen the movie. How can you judge it so early now? And his clothing seems more elegant. But if you think about it, he has money, people with money dress that way. I'm trying to put it in simple terms so ignorant people that only know how you curse can understand what I'm saying, I know you close-minded jerks won't because you're mind frame is set on one thing, but I had to add my two cents.
Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on December 25, 2004 8:59 AM
Damn right and manson would have made a better wonka, and depp will ruin the name of burton and willy wonka. I dont even want to eat the candy anymore, because of Johnny Homo.
That just cracked me up. Calling Depp a pouf and saying Manson (the one guy who actually DOES take it up the arse) should have played Wonka.
Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on December 25, 2004 8:33 PM
This movie looks so gay and you know what....Johnney Depp is going to suck in this role because it is Gene Wilders role and no one else's. can we think back to some of Burton's remakes and see how they sucked balls? So will this. I've got news for you. Johnney Depp always gets credit from catty girls who just think he is hot. I thought Kate Winslet was brilliant in Finding Neverland but nobody gave her any credit. Ya'll are jaded
Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on December 27, 2004 2:08 AM
let's get some things straight, obviously (what, are you blind??) this film wont be an exact adaption of the book as there is only one parent for each child... sound familiar???
Also, Gene Wilder as Willy Wonka was perfect. just the right amount of joy, evil, quirkiness and hatrid for awful children!! One question, where do people get this strange notion that Roald Dahl's book is soooo much 'darker' than the film, I personnaly think it's the other way around... Wonka's jacket was plum, which is closer to moron than purple, so let's leave that alone. I am sure that the main reason Roald didn't like the original film very much was MAINLY due to all the political crap he had to go through with the studio. For what it's worth I love Dahl, Burton, Depp, Manson, Wilder, Elfman, Bea Arthur and my mummy
Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on December 29, 2004 12:56 PM
People should keep an open mind even though Gene Wilder is the greatest.Heck I at first was hoping they would offer Marilyn Manson the part since he does know how to act sinister part very well of Mr.Womka.But that is just my opion coming from someone who has an open mind.
Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on December 29, 2004 1:41 PM
Gene Wilder is and will always be the greatest original Willie Wonka.Just like Marilyn Manson will always be trully Brian Hugh Warner a true blue Wonkwer such as myself and as Johnny Depp and lots of other people who have actually been around when those 2 books and the oringinal movie first came out.Its not about sex/drugs or really even gothic music it is about the little people like you and me having a shot like these well known famous people have had and still do at finding our selves and making our dreams come true no matter how low the chances are.Its also about family .Come on people how can you forget.I did not .You should not either.Tim Burton and all these other actors deserve a chance just like Charlie deserved the golden ticket.This is how dreams are made so please if you want to crush chilhood dreams that goodhearted people like us have do it where we cannot read it and hear about it.Thank you for your time hopefully you people will change your opion about this movie.From>StarMoon214
Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on December 30, 2004 3:33 AM
dooodes, yous gots ta like open your minds to the possibilites man. Willy Wonka is like so out there and all I'm getting is a load of negative vibes here man.
Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on December 31, 2004 10:27 PM
YES! first comment of the year. I'm soooo excited for this film. I LOOOOVE Johnny Depp and i absoultly love tim burton. they both are my favories so it looks promising. Let me know if i can find out more about it! July 15 seems soooo far away but i'm gunna haft start a countdown! YAY
I liked the first move, but I enjoyed the novel better.. I think if they make this one more like the novel it will be better. From the looks of it, it is going to be alot more like the novel i mean of course there are similarities but this one first off is called Charlie and the Chocolate Factory so my guess is they are gearing it more twards the book.
Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on January 3, 2005 4:39 PM
A tale of delight, and delectable fright, in a world made of sweets, and tasteariffic treats, mind your tongue and your teeth, or you'll end up beneath this factory of choc-o-late and horror. A ticket you have found, now i must take you 'round, 'til i rid myself of gnats, you infuriating brats, so put the gumdrops down, or in syrup you shall drown, and my secret to the world shall so remain.
Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on January 4, 2005 9:44 AM
You all are so narrow minded. Tim Burton is an amazing director and very creative I must say...I cant wait for this to come out.
And maybe you all should wait for it too...instead of posting all the rude comments. You`ll never know untill you actually see it...
Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on January 4, 2005 1:21 PM
I so agree. The original movie, no matter how good it was, didnt stick with the story as well. The new one is supposed to be more correct. Ronald Dahl didnt even really like the original movie version that much. And they changed the oompa loompas to be politically correct.
i adore johnny depp--but whats up with the teeth??
the trailer is really trippy...so of course im gonna go see the movie...i cant wait!..
anyway...wtf with the teeth?????? oh well... he knows hes hot, thats why he doesnt care..haha
Does anybody know of a band called"la ley"..i think they are from chile?? or something..im mex-ame..so i sort of know.. well the lead singer used to wear the kind of wierd glasses johhny is wearing.. they look identical..exept for the teeth..there i go again..haha... but no ones better than johnny at looking wierd-hot and awesome at the same time.....
is the guy in the red clothes an oompa loompa?? yuk... wheres the green hair?? and the orange face??
Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on January 4, 2005 7:32 PM
This movie looks kind of disturbing, to be honest. Now, I heard they weren't trying to remake the old movie, but trying to make a brand new, original one. And, I do agree that Johnny Depp looks like a woman.
Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on January 4, 2005 7:52 PM
I think we need to remember that the most important thing about a movie is if it is enjoyable. I think this movie looks like a lot of fun. Dont worry about comparing it to the original. If you dont think you would enjoy watching it, then dont. But personally, I have never had Tim Burton let me down. I even enjoyed Frankenweenie :)
Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on January 6, 2005 12:56 AM
WILL U JUST SHUT THE FUCK UP ABOUT THAT RETARD MANSION??? THE BEAUTIFLY TALENTED AND AMAZING JOHNNY DEPP IS PLAYING HIM SO JUST FUCKEN DEAL WITH IT!!!!!
Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on January 6, 2005 1:01 AM
WILL U SHUT UP???WOT WOULD U NO ABOUT BEING A GENIOUS ???? JOHNNY DEPP IS AN AMZING ACTOR BCOZ HE BRINGS SO MUCH MORE TO THE CHARACTERS AND HE HAS NEVER LET ME DOWN IN ANY OF HIS MOVIES AND I'M SURE THAT THE REST OF HIS "LOVERS" FEEL EXACTLY THE SAME!!!!!
IF U HAVE NOTHING GOOD TO WRITE THEN DON'T WRITE NOTHING AT ALL!!!!!
Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on January 6, 2005 9:28 AM
I really hope to god that this movie will be an acid trip realized, and scare the shit out of anyone that sees it. I hope that Burton, and Depp suffice, and keep it dark and distrubing.
The movie's done... so why is everyone freaking out about Depp being Wonka? If you cant appreciate the art, then don't go see it. I cant believe people have so much time to agrue this. Forums should be positive, and at least slightly intelligent. Perhaps with all the weather going on in the northeast all the kiddies have time to rank and rave and mis-spell their curse words.
Kudos to the guy that pointed out "fucken" is a redneck word.. hahaha
Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on January 6, 2005 9:46 AM
I loved the old ommpa lummpa, their green hair was awsome, the new one with thier glasses on look scary and the limericks they song were funny the only down side to them was that the limericks would get inside your head for two days.
Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on January 6, 2005 10:48 PM
let's all just remember that since johnny came out of the closet in 03, its important for him to choose more masculine roles. and as far as tim burton, that suit that was filed against him in that child molestation case angered many people, so he needed to prove his fidelity by doing this film.
Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on January 6, 2005 10:56 PM
"C) CATCF was originally a book therefore, a “remake” - not an original script."
How can you remake a book? Especially into a movie? It's just a different adaptation of the book. Not a remake of the 1971 film. I mean, there are at least a dozen Romeo and Juliette (sp?) movies out there. Are they all remakes of the first one?
Anyway. That's all I have to say. Except for Johnny Depp is not a fag. And I'm not refering to the poster who I quoted.
Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on January 8, 2005 2:07 PM
Actually...Depp himself said that he would like for Manson to play the part...although that sint happening. Manson has played in other movies though. Depp also based part of Willy character on Manson which is cool cause Manson based some stuff on Willy Wonka. It was one of him favorite movies.
Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on January 8, 2005 4:50 PM
Don't you guys know that things go in cycle? For some reason, in the past 2 decades, society seems to need to redo things. Whether it is A Brady Movie, Batman, Psycho, Starksy and Hutch or Willy Wonka.
I am not against the idea of movies being updated to fit the times but some movies should not be touched. What's next? Gone With The Wind starring Brad Pitt and Pamela Anderson?
Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on January 11, 2005 12:47 PM
i love johnny depp and hes without a doubt the sexiest man alive, but edward scizzorhands looks ten levels better than willy wonka. Face is too white, hair is too straight, and no facial hair at all (if i was kissing him, id want him without the stache, but for this film, he needs facial hair.
Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on January 11, 2005 12:50 PM
is that even really johnny depp? he doesnt look right. I think they should of got an "unknown" to play the part, rather than depp. BUT, depp is very versatile
um didnt u call depp gay in 1 of ur other post?? cus ur contradicting urself there if u have a brain and know what that means MAKE UP UR MIND MAN also hes a brillant actor so stuff u
ok.. before say anything 'bout this movie let's not forget that Tim Burton's movies are always the greatests... yeah yeah, Gene Wilder IS Willy Wonka... but let's give a chance to Depp, shaw we ?
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