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By Azad on September 11, 2001 4:57 PM
The staff of DTheatre.com wishes to extend their condolences and prayers to the victims, and the families of the victims, lost in today’s horrific events. We share your grief during these difficult times.
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Posted by Numbed (jr556@excite.com) on September 11, 2001 6:00 PM
Senseless and unbelievable.
I am shocked that someone would consider this as a time for celebration. On TV, you can see Palestinians in Afganistan dancing in the streets. Sharing candy and cake.
All hopes and prayers to all the survivors, innocent victims, and the friends and families.
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on September 12, 2001 9:15 AM
Let's nuke them now
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on September 12, 2001 1:44 PM
Justice should definately prevail and something should be done to the eveil people who created this tragedy. But also, as a human race, we need to learn from this and teach our children of this. We should should educate them to the fact that every life is priceless and important big or small and we should embrace eachother and our ideas. Together, we can make things better, instead of coming up with hiteous ideas of how can we get 'em back. Let's think of ideas to not let it happen again. We are a strong country and people look up to our country. Let's keep them proud and wishing they were Americans as well..
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on September 12, 2001 1:58 PM
More bombs and destruction won't do any good to anyone, only the lives of innocent people will suffer. The US government should work out all the possible solutions carefully and plan any possible attacks very cautiously, but should also know that there are always more innocent people than the guilty ones. Bombs never hurt the guilty.
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on September 15, 2001 4:32 AM
That once proved how media can change your opinion. Those people dancing were maybe 0.1% of the total population of those countries but because they showed thoses images on TV everyone hates Palestinians right now. I think that's too sick.
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Posted by Vander (vandavidle@hotmail.com) on September 11, 2001 7:00 PM
Like a unbelievable blockbuster movie. Our deepest condolences to our U.S. neighbour we are sadden of the lost of innocent lives.
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Posted by subZERO (rogueboy@excite.com) on September 11, 2001 7:04 PM
I believe that is the differance between civilized people are barbaric scum...
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on September 11, 2001 8:02 PM
First off, I wish to clarify that Palistinians live in camps in Israel, not in Afganistan. Secondly, I have been terribly disturbed by so many people's comments around the world today concerning muslims, arabs, and palistinians. Before people go making rash and ignorant statements based on the anger they are feeling at the moment, they should at least attempt to understand the motivation for the celebration those people are partaking in. Right or wrong, many of them view the US as playing a chief component in they're very miserable and persecuted lives. In many ways I'm am just as saddened for those who lost people today as I am for those of Middle Eastern decent who will now be given accusatory stares, who will now feel uncomfortable when entering an airport. In many ways a comparison can be drawn between what will most likely happen if events escalate and what happened to Asian Americans during WW2. I just hope people open their minds and don't let emotion fuel there thoughts. The same is true for m hopes in how the US will officially react to this. The last time we struck back at Bin Laden, we bombed an innnocent sudanese pharmacutical plant. May our retaliation be more thought out and accurate this time, I truely hope that no more innocent people will have to die, but I highly doubt that, especially after our President's comment that countries who harbor these terrorists will feel our wrath as well. Anyhow, take care of yourselves and I am truely saddened and sorry for those who have lost someone today
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on May 19, 2003 7:44 PM
to whom ever wrote that comment clarifing the true meaning of Muslims, thanks. many people out their are ignorant enough to believe what the media says, not realizing that what they say isn't half of what is really going on in the middle east. those who feel that they need to decide as to what side they have to take, do your homework. there are many resources out there in the world today for you to find out the truth behind the media.thanks again for reclaiming our rightful name as Muslims.
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Posted by Azad (eka@dtheatre.com) on September 11, 2001 8:42 PM
I agree that there must be a need to think clearly in very troubled matters such as this and keep an open mind. In a wrath of anger, it may seem convenient to direct that anger towards a certain ethnic group. Being a muslim, and being part of a muslim community here in the US, friends and family have received numerous threats and very bitter resentment simply because of our ethnic/religious background due to this incident. I am very saddened that a horrific incident such as this happened and I condemn such a heinous act, but I hope that all of us will pull through this with grace and civility and not lower ourselves to a mindset that would not be any different to those of the terrorists.
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Posted by Error11 (No Email) on September 11, 2001 8:48 PM
While the U.S does affect lives over seas and not always for the better, for a human to rejoice in tragedy and death of innocent people in any country race or creed, is just sick and barbaric. There is is no excuse to being happy about war and death, untill when it ends.
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Posted by Lucky G (nospam@poof.com) on September 11, 2001 11:22 PM
First, I would like all of you to know that I am a Palestinian American. I am a citizen of the US and have been living here for more than 30 years. I am deeply saddened by the events that have happened today and I am trying my best to help others. Right now, writing is my only solace to sanity, for I have lost my future wife in the WTC disaster... Undoubtedly a lot of anger and hatred have crossed my mind, and wish the severest punishment to those who have caused this. However I am also appalled at the anti-Palestinian sentiment that has occured. I would like to enlighten all of you my story of the Palestinian situation. I became an orphan at the age of 5 when both my parents were killed by Israeli soldiers when they raided my village. The purpose of the village raid was simply to drive out the Palestinians so that the Israelis could "occupy" more territory. Many innocent Palestinian women and children died because of this, but nobody ever hears of these terrible crimes, obviously because the media never airs it, afraid of being labeled as "anti-semitic". This is why there is so much hate against Americans there, for the Americans have supplied Israel with the military means to carry out their acts. If any of you read up on your world history, you will know that technically after WWII, Israel invaded Palestinian land. The whole entire concept of sovereignty was gone. The Palestinians, until today, are fighting for their family, their country, their dignity, and their lives. When they heard of the US attack, their immediate reaction of course was victory due to their own situation, but I am sure that if they were to have witnessed the tragedy first hand as I have, they would feel sorrow as well. Right now, I would simply like to say, do not simply believe everything that the media force feeds you. You must try to understand the circumstances of other people and cultures, instead of placing the blame game on people. Blind racism and hatred help no one and will only feed the fire.
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on September 12, 2001 2:49 PM
much like your own bitternes and racism toward Israel? Israel was simply moving back into their own land as promised by Jehovah to Abraham. The land is theirs not Palestine's
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on September 12, 2001 3:04 PM
Let's take the biblical part out of this. In fact for hundreds of years during the era of the Crusades, the muslims have been giving the Jews refuge from attacks. It is unfortunate that the recent events have escalated to this level. It is a very complex issue now, and there is a degree of racism and religious persecution happening on both sides. But either way, I think Lucky G has a right to express his opinions due to his unfortunate circumstances, and lets say fellow shemp, if someone raided your home and killed your parents, how would you feel? What about all the blacks killed by the whites during America's very own racist era? Or the entire population of Indians decimated by the European colonists? I think we have to look beyond just the black and white issues of racism, and we must be able to deal with these issues intelligently without doing any bible thumping or finger pointing.
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Posted by CorneliusD (No Email) on September 13, 2001 9:32 AM
This is America, and Lucky G has the right to express his opinions regardless of any circumstances, as we have the right to respond.
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on September 12, 2001 3:10 PM
You idiot bible thumper. It's so much more of a complicated issue than that. Three main religions share that land, but unfortunately nobody seems to get along due to all the current hatred everyone has towards one another, Christians, Muslims and Jews alike. And by the way, the most militant branch of the active Palestinian groups are CHRISTIANS. And I'm sure they read the Bible.
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on September 13, 2001 5:31 AM
I agree completely. And while we are at it, give Manahttan back to the Native Americans.
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on September 13, 2001 10:03 AM
Give it back?
We bought it fair and square.
Don't confuse issues.
The capitol of the world was just raped, and its gonna take a lot of bombs to clear the air. Save the drama for your mama, Afghanistan is going down!!!!!!!
~TINY
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on September 13, 2001 1:40 PM
Jesus Christ, Tiny. You are a flaming, moronic, narrow-minded, peice of sh*t moron. Just shut your mouth. No, i don';t give a sh*t what you have to say back to me, it won't make any difference. You are stupid no matter how much you argue. So shut up.
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on September 13, 2001 1:59 PM
Oh. OK, I guess we should just let Terrorism continue to destroy more lives, good ideal, you, Anti-American Scum. Don't listen to this pacifist, if we strike now, we can end terrorism forever, this gut wants it to continue, he's a true piece of shi+.
~TINY
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on September 13, 2001 3:11 PM
At least Tiny is patriotic, your on the terrorists side, you monster. bin Laden is being protected by Afghanistan, and you are defending them. Well....thats your right as an American, your probably burning old glory right now. The rest of us however, want justice!
- Jimmy
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on September 17, 2001 11:59 AM
What the FVCK are you TALKING ABOUT??? All I did was tell you to shut-up and called you an idiot, and this just proves my point!! And Tiny, you dumb mother fvcker, attacking one terrorist group that is basically to Afghanistan what the Nazis were to the Jews, will NOT END TERRORISM FOREVER!!!!!! I hope to God Bush isn't as stupid as you are, because if so, then our country (which I am an active participator in its politics and issues, whereas you probably sit on your couch bitching about everything) is already DOOMED. Go to hell, Tiny.
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on September 19, 2001 6:20 AM
This person just will not listen, I'll explain this to you one more time, and I'll go slowly. The reason why we were unable to kill bin Laden in the last decade (we tried a lot) is because we were unable to get to him, he and his group are protected by Afghanistan (even after he admited and bragged about killing our marines in 1993, they still would not hand him over), on top of which all deadly terrorist groups the world over are protected or funded the same way by a country or state somewhere on the planet. Up until now these countries have had no reason to stop protecting the terrorists. By making an example of Afghanistan (destroying them, cutting off all trade to them), all these other countries will fear the same retaliation from the U.S., China, Russia, NATO, and others, therefore they will not protect them anymore. Once their cover is gone, all terrorist groups will easily be vanquished, the world over. Then again if we do not do this, terrorism will continue. Hopefully that will clear this up for you, if you would like to debate it, then please make a statement that explains why I'm wrong and how we can destroy all terrorism instead. Instead of just being a potty mouth.
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Posted by CorneliusD (No Email) on September 12, 2001 8:21 AM
First I want to say that I understand where Lucky G is coming from and I agree with his anti-racist sentiment, but some of his statements reflect a one-sided view.
Two quotes from him: “The purpose of the village raid was simply to drive out the Palestinians so that the Israelis could "occupy" more territory,” and “you will know that technically after WWII, Israel invaded Palestinian land.” I don't think so. You are sadly mistaken in your history. There was plenty of other circumstances to the situation:
After WWII the United Nations decided to give the Jews a country of their own. The UN chose land that was formerly part of British Empire and had a large number of Jews and Palestinians living in it (many Jews moved there after WWII with the urging of the British and rest of the world). Thus, it was not Israel, but the world, that started this. Israel was content with their territory until their neighbors began to attack them and attempt to wipe them off the map. These wars were the result of hatred of the Jews by the surrounding countries.
During the 1960s, Israel was targeted by its surrounding Arab neighbors in two main wars. Egypt, Syria, Jordan, and others all teamed up to attack Israel. And how did this attack occur? In what I think is one of the most dispicable displays in human history, they attacked Israel on Yom Kippur, completely unprovoked. Israel was a victim and to punish those who cowardly attacked them on their holiest day of the year, they created a buffer zone so that it would never happen again. It was pure retaliation. How do you think the Israeli citizens felt as they were praying on their holiest day of the year only to have many synagogues destroyed by Arab forces. In other words, innocent women and children were killed just because the Arab nations wanted more land.
So in pure retaliation, Israel took land from Egypt, Syria, and Jordan and that land is disputed to this day. Yes, they trampled over Palestinian villages, but only in a hardlined retaliation for a senseless attack on their sovereignty. Since it seemed other nations continued to gang up on them, they basically sent the message out to not f*ck with them and they could not afford to be any softer to their enemies than their enemies were to them. It is a tragedy that the fighting came to civilians, but both sides committed terrible acts, with the Arabs attacking first, followed by the Israeli retaliation. And it was the rest of the world that created the inhospitable situation, but again they did not have the advantage of hindsight.
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on September 12, 2001 2:00 PM
When it all comes down to it, we are all very confused people and life is very complex, and that complexity sometimes results in unwanted tensions. Why can't we all just get along?
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Posted by Gunther (No Email) on September 12, 2001 2:51 PM
The plant in Sudan was an intentional, valid target, as was the military training camp bombed in Afganistan. I do agree with you, that the bombing targets need to be better, since the primary target, Bin Laden, escaped unharmed.
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on September 12, 2001 3:32 PM
Wrong! The CIA admitted that the sudanese pharmacutical plant was a mistake about 2 months ago. All their evidence was based on a soil sample that contained a chemical used in chemical weapons. First off, this chemical evaporates really quickly and secon, there was no soil inside the entire plant. The US finally did admit to this mistake though many people already knew ust how flawed this attack was
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on September 13, 2001 10:36 AM
If Afghanistan does not hand over they're "folks": bin laden and his boy friends, then the new target will be all of Afghanistan. Obviously these morons have no ideal what they are about to face. I for one think that Isreals enemies will now face a much more violent Isreael than before, due to increased allies via the towers destruction.
Elecktro
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Posted by scichick (imscichick@ivillage.com) on September 11, 2001 8:32 PM
This is truly a tragedy I will never forget. I have always felt so protected living in the USA, that the first word I heard of it, 'terrorism' had not even occurred to me. I simply thought it was mechanical error or something. But when I heard more and that there was a second attack, I felt numb and have felt that way most of the day. I hope everyone takes the minute of silence Wed. AM to say a prayer for the victims, their families and for the volunteers giving their time to search for survivors, as well as the strenght, wisdom and courage our leaders will need to get through this. Amen
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on September 11, 2001 9:06 PM
In light of recent events... I just saw the most sick and disgusting thing here in town.. I drove by the town square area and saw a group of "anarchist" teenagers rejoicing at the destruction... what is this world coming to...
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Posted by BJ (none) on September 12, 2001 12:01 AM
While rejoicing at the destruction of today's events is in bad taste, we can't blindly accept that the US is innocent and did nothing to provoke such horrible actions. I would imagine that those teenagers were really rejoicing in the fact that by destroying the WTC someone has tried to strike a blow at the horribly materialistic and oppressive society we have become and are trying to spread through the world. While the terrorists actions are detestable, we can't forget there are some important lessons to learn from the message that has been sent. It was no accident that they took symbols of modern progress and economic domination and blew them up on TV for the world to see. We have to punish these terrorists for what they did, but we don't have to go back to the isolated idyllic view of our place in the world.
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Posted by sKillBot (travis@pulley.org) on September 12, 2001 12:32 AM
You put words to my thoughts. We're glad to have such a great audience of insightful readers.
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on September 12, 2001 12:04 AM
Very well said.
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Posted by CorneliusD (No Email) on September 12, 2001 8:24 AM
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on September 12, 2001 12:54 AM
Bah, the only lessons to be learned here is that someone willing to die is a powerful force. So is a hurricane or an earthquake. Force doesn't make right.
You may detest the materialistic world, but you would not be writing a message to the internet with a computer without that materialistic and oppressive world.
Before you use these victims to further your own political viewpoints, you should pause to consider the millions of lives (for each one of those who died had friends, relatives, and family) that have just been ripped to shreds. All in the name of propaganda.
Terrorism is detestable. That much of what you wrote I agree with.
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on September 13, 2001 8:14 PM
Well said.
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on September 12, 2001 1:46 PM
Isn't it wonderful that you live in a society which allows you to talk the way you do. Where else could you go and espouse the beliefs you have. You have forgotten, the prices that our society has paid for the very freedom to say, and print the very words you have.
At any rate, the people who are hurt and killed in this unprovoked attack did not deserve what happened. What the perpetrators receive will be well deserved.
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on September 16, 2001 1:03 PM
Maybe you should take a trip to ladder company 21 in NYC, 37th and 10th ave. Tell it to the firemen there who lost their brothers and who have been working 12 and 16 hr shifts stepping over bodies and debris as they continue their rescue. then go on and visit each and every other fire house. these are the men and women didnt think twice before running to help the "idyllic americans" in the wtc and in the process, giving up their lives and familes.
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on September 17, 2001 6:41 AM
Go to hell BJ, your buddy bin Laden and the Taliban will meet you there later.
Mets Fan
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on September 12, 2001 12:59 AM
Very well said?
My ignorant little friends, nothing on this planet or in the history of the human race has done more to further the advancement of mankind than capitalism and it's attendant humanistic element of materialism.
It is the drive for better food and comfort that has raised us past the barbaric animals of the Middle East who still bow and pray to Bronze Age superstitions.
I am sick and tired of hearing the weepy lamentations of the religous fanatics in this very, very non-capitalist super-spiritual environment. America has the lost the will to fight and that is why we are victims today. Would these jihad squirrels have dared to strike in a world of Ronald Reagan and immediate reprisals?
The heart of evil in this world is the same now as it has been for thousands of years. All who read these boards and so many others had better learn this lesson soon --
It is organized religion in all it's fanatical forms that promotes irrationalism and insanity in the minds of the ignorant and unenlightened. The quality of life provided by capitalism and free-thinking libertarianism remains the only true hope of mankind.
Think about it.
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on September 12, 2001 1:22 AM
"barbaric animals of the Middle East who still bow and pray to Bronze Age superstitions."
That is the most racist comment I have read on here. I hope you pull your head out of your ass one day. If that is how you think, you are no different than those terrorists, because they probably think the same of us in the US. I know a lot of Middle Eastern people, and its funny how they are all smarter than the average American I've ever met.
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on September 13, 2001 1:08 PM
Go to hell you prejudice jerk
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on September 13, 2001 1:21 PM
If they are so much smarter than we are, then how come we lead them in every single way from science to sports. Perhaps its cause your wrong, I feel sorry for prejudice, terrible people like yourself.
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on September 13, 2001 1:58 PM
Nobody said they were smarter, they said you were an a$$hole racist (not word for word, obviously). The fact of the matter isn't that these people are stupid, its that they are not rich enough nor have the resources for the advanced technology and so forth that we have in America. You think that because a person lives in the Middle East they are stupid? I guess we now see who the stupid one really is...(since you are stupid, allow me to inform you that I was implying you to be stupid, stupid.)
And don't dare bismirch the credibility of those of us who actually are free-thinkers by saying that racist and narrow-minded bullsh*t is the point of view of "free-thinking libertarianism." That crap hardly qualifies you as an open-minded advocate of freedom. Choose different words for your narrow-mindedness.
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on September 13, 2001 8:18 PM
It's definitely not free-thinking libertarianism... you don't qualify for that moniker.
Instead, those of you who are defending people who celebrate death and destruction are just pathetic. I don't care what has been done to someone in the past ... if they celebrate the tragedy that happened Tuesday, they are not worthy of my consideration.
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on September 17, 2001 12:03 PM
We are not "defending people who celebrate death and destruction." Instead, we are defending those innocent people who are being acussed and blamed for this death and destruction simply because they are Middle-Eastern looking or Muslim. Get your head out of your ass.
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on September 12, 2001 1:27 AM
by the way... wasn't it the Arabs and the Islamic empire during the 12th century who brought the period of enlightenment to people in science and mathematic that allowed us to get to where we are, and then those dumbass Crusaders had to ruin everything and kill everyone. And unfortunately.. that pretty much started the whole religious battle thing.. I agree that organized religion and fanatics are the culprits, but try not to be a racist pig.
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on September 12, 2001 6:15 AM
I lost four friends in the first tower, I don't care who did it, why, or what they hoped to accomplish. This act was that of pure evil, arrogance allowed it, but you know what, islamic, palastinian, blue, green, pink, phuck it, this is no longer a race war, religious war, or whatever you want to call it. The ones responsible must be found and dealt, or this will happen again, and I don't think it would stop with Bin-whatsits, he may or may not have done this, but he is only a figurehead.
He holds power as long as the people fear him more than anyone else, "we" shall remedy that, of that I am sure.
Besides "they done pissed off a Texan now"
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Posted by beetle78 (notonyourlife@yeahright.com) on September 12, 2001 6:14 AM
I just want to give my condolences to the loved ones of all those who were lost in the attack. I'm not interested in The political or religious argument on this board right now. I'm still in a state of shock that this whole thing happened in the first place. And second, any one who thinks that the US deserved this for what we have done in the past is just as delusional as the terrorists themselves. Loss of life in this magnitude is never worth what people hope to gain from it. I would feel just as bad if it was Palestinians who died yesterday. Once again...my heart goes out.
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on September 13, 2001 7:17 AM
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on September 12, 2001 6:08 AM
The fact still remains, no one in this world should be rejoicing at ANY deaths whatsoever. Those that do will be getting their just dues when they leave this world. I know some of you may be calling me religious, but there has got to be some sort of final punishment for acts like these. Far more than any one in this world could give. For when we do find the person (s) responsible, what are we as humans going to do? Kill him or them once. I believe that is not just punishment for what these people have done. I don't know what the price will be but I feel they will pay for this act with a lot more than their lives.
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on September 12, 2001 6:10 AM
Add our Condolences from Québec, Canada.
Benoit Gendron
Montréal
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on September 12, 2001 7:52 AM
The world is reeling from this and all I read is mindless banter here.
For those Americans who denounce those who were celebrating your losses, need now to burn their "We kicked your ass in the Gulf War" T-Shirts, hats and lunch boxes! There is no difference.
War is not a new thing, nor is terrorism. They happen everyday, everywhere else, but here, but now it is here and we need to deal with it. I don't believe this was an act of war. An act of war is targeted to innocents, but is usually followed by a declaration of pride, and thus far there has been none.
Nightly, we see images of war-torn countries on the news, but we just change the channel because it doesn't involve us, so we watch the Simpsons. Like it or not, that passive and lack of compassion attitude for other people's problems is partly to blame for what happened here.
Most importantly, we have to focus on helping those in need. What has happened is a horrible tragedy, and your friends to the north are hurting right along with you. We know America is strong, and beautiful, but please don't include rash and unreasonable.
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on September 12, 2001 8:49 AM
it is interesting that you seem to imply that the american people have any say or opinion in what the US does in other countries, and don't blame us because the media hounds thrive off of any chaos they can find, yes wars, attacks, explosions happen all the time in other countries, in this country to, but to say that because we are so tired of the news always being so bad, and change the channel doesn't mean we deserved the attack, innocent blood only paints anger, rage, and hatred, we should be focusing on not going off the deep end, and not being paranoid towards everyone else,
these times have changed over night,
not for the better, pointing fingers only justifies hate.
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on September 12, 2001 9:31 AM
As General Yamato stated after Pearl Harbor was successfully bombed,"...I fear we have awakened a sleeping giant." Let's hope that we as a country can unite together again and rid this world of such cowardice.
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on September 12, 2001 7:53 AM
Despite every attempt at Political Correctness, stereotypes persist for they are often largely based on fact.
It is NOT racist to state that the Arab world and it's people have throughout history proven themselves to be prone to fanaticism -both as a group and as individuals.
I think it is the arrogance of those on this board and their own need to 'pull their heads out of their asses' if we ever hope to defeat this evil.
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on September 12, 2001 9:01 AM
not in the defense of fanaticism, but haven't you every seen televangelist, people falling to the floor, hooting, screaming,
but that couldn't be fanaticism could it, the KKK is a religious organization, burning crosses, hating people in the name of god,
but that couldn't be fanaticism could it,
witch burning, the inquisition, hell the crusades, all seem like fanaticism to me, we shouldn't be looking at this as a religiuos war, granted it my have been 99% of the cause,
but to single out muslems,islamic, basically any middle eastern country and say they have a history of fanaticism is really the pot calling the kettle black isn't it?
It is hard to see the forest from the trees.
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Posted by Donzi (MGolias@excite.com) on September 12, 2001 9:08 AM
After wittnessing the Palestinians rejoicing in the streets after our country has tried to get them freedom; I have come to this conclusion: Palestinians are BARBARIC animinals rivaling the Nazis; to hell with Palestine.
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on September 12, 2001 9:53 AM
What's next?
I know that there issues of politics and human rights and "justice" ...
(if this concept really still exsists) but the fact remains that as long as people like the person who carried out this plan of attack on America exsist, American citizens (all ethnenticites) will be in danger of incurring a similar situation. The threat of attack has suddenly become very real to me at least, as it should be to all of you.I personally support the president in his view of those who harbour people who could perpatrate this type of CALCULATED...COLD-HERATED
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The loss of innocent life is just part of the equation...now on both sides.
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on September 13, 2001 2:13 PM
We celebrated the defeat and murder of Nazis. Let's face it, in the eyes of the Palestines WE are evil and barbaric. For reasons I personally am not completely aware of, they find us deserving of such an act, as we would the decimation of a Nazi army. Certainly, not all Palestinians feel this way and condemn this act of cold blooded murder, simply because they too are human and are capable of being aware of the lose of human life.
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on September 13, 2001 8:22 PM
We did not institute death camps. We did not commit genocide.
All that we've done is jump every single time something bad or catastrophic happens in the world, and do our best to help the people involved.
From the Marshall plan to present day.
They may believe that we are Nazi's, but that doesn't mean that they're right.
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on September 17, 2001 12:09 PM
And what makes us any more right than they?
I certainly am not condoning their celebration of the deaths of thousands; God knows I've spent many a sleepless night thinking and crying over this state of events. However, the fact of the matter is that not everyone likes us, just like we don't like everyone. And who is to say that we are the "right" ones?
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Posted by Gunther (No Email) on September 12, 2001 9:56 AM
Let's first put all these "capitalism=bad" arguments to rest by remembering that whoever orchestrated this nightmare - especially if it was Bin Laden - is a globally-connected, well-financed benefactor of the capitalist system they've brainwashed their unwashed counterparts into hating. Bin Laden has made hundreds of millions of dollars selling oil through his Saudi interests... I guarantee not a penny of which has gone toward helping those he purports to defend. To applaud or justify these attacks as an attack against oppressive capitalism is sadly misguided given the fact that it is oppressive capitalism which is sponsoring these activities.
Secondly, it is terribly unfortunate that these actions have spawned heightened racial tension in our country, especially given the fact that it is exactly that kind of response these attacks had hoped to achieve. Those in our country who have targeted individuals of Arab or Middle-Eastern descent for harassment, physical or verbal attack, or even side-ways glances are as unjustified in their feelings as the wacko's who have targeted Americans. Everyone needs to chill out, keep Palestinian/Israel issues out of the equation until those involved have been discovered. It would be just as big a mistake for us to jump on the Israeli bandwagon of Palestinian oppression as it would for us to remain apathetic toward terrorist attacks of Plantains against Israel; however I seriously don't believe we are justified in expanding the circle of vengeance outside of those individuals involved directly with the attack and the governments that support them. 1,000 misguided and suffering fools dancing in the streets of their shanty towns should not pursued anyone into believing that abandoning the hope for peace is our logical next step.
Last of all, and I realize I'm treading on thin ice here if I haven't been already... Let's touch on the religion purportedly involved in all this. True, those who die for God (and I'm talking in every religion on the planet... Islam is not special in how it venerates martyrs who die in God's name) are considered martyrs and are venerated in the eyes of God and man. HOWEVER... Nowhere and in no religion is this kind of mass carnage justified... EVER! Sure, every religion has had its share of fanatic psychotics, but never has history or religious dogma ever smiled kindly upon these pathetic cretins for very long. The beliefs of Bin Laden and/or those involved in these attacks are based upon an evil and total corruption of some truly beautiful religious ideals. God's purpose for prayer and religious fervor isn't so that God can enact vengeance on others; it is a vehicle given to humanity for obtaining forgiveness of one's own sins from Him. Moslem, Islamic, Jewish, Eastern Orthodox, Catholic, Protestant, etc. religions share more in common than they differ, especially in terms of how they cherish human life and dignity above all else. To bastardize one's own religion, impress it upon others, and then use it as a justification for grotesque and horrific actions against their fellow man is the basest and most vulgar of sins. While it is a given that actions have been put into play this week that will pretty much result in these individuals being wiped off the face of the earth, it is equally certain that these people will find no solace in the gates of heaven, either.
Bottom line - There is no justification (political, social, or religious) to be found in these acts so stop looking. In addition, we (and I mean the US) had better be careful in how we proceed so as not to fall victim to the corruptible power of hatred so obviously at work already in this world.
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Posted by sKillBot (travis@pulley.org) on September 13, 2001 1:39 AM
Thank you very much for your comment. The best way we can all deal with this issue is by understanding it, and your comment states many undeniable truths that are ignored by people with strong feelings distracting them. Hatred will solve nothing. It will cloud any sense of justice and perpetuate the horror. It is through understanding that true justice will be found.
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on September 12, 2001 1:10 PM
That is a very well thought out comment. Thank you very much for stating it and I applaud you for your open mind. I agree, NO RELIGION supports such barbaric acts that have happened. But somehow, human beings always find a way to twist religion into their own twisted causes and become God's madmen.
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Posted by FredHater (fred_hater@hotmail.com) on September 12, 2001 12:08 PM
100% sorry this happened to your beautiful city. I hope all of your friends and family made it through safely.
The same hope goes out to all of the rest of you guys. Even the shemps.
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Posted by 100% AMERICAN (hellskitchen_@hotmail.com) on September 12, 2001 2:06 PM
Fred:
Not all of them made it buddy, but thanks for the kind words. Those religious bastards did their best, and they hurt us, but NYC still stands. Now its pay back time.
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on September 17, 2001 12:14 PM
Uhh...I think you need to read Gunther's comment above.
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Posted by 100% AMERICAN (hellskitchen_@hotmail.com) on September 19, 2001 7:35 AM
I read Gunthers post. Regardless, its time for these religious fukers and all terrorists the world over, god weilding or not to suck on some tridents.
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on September 12, 2001 12:42 PM
I believe that we lost people of many colors, races, and religions yesterday. My heart goes out to ALL that have lost friends, family, and loved ones. No matter the reason, religious, political, or whatever caused such destruction.
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Posted by BJ (none) on September 12, 2001 1:29 PM
Can someone recommend a good news website I can checkout? (an alternative to the usual mainstream media outlets - CNN, CBS, NBC, etc.)
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on September 12, 2001 1:39 PM
The only other mainstream one I can think of right now is BBC at http://www.bbc.co.uk
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Posted by jeffbuckleyfan1 (ShawnClarkforreal.com) on September 12, 2001 7:38 PM
I wish everybody who was affected by this hainus my condolences. And for all you religious freaks out there this is the last straw. Stop putting the religion before everything and think of the people you affect by living by a religion that was written thousands of years ago. You kill in your streets for a piece of land that is nothing but tired desert. Now you invole us in your holy war or crusade. Tell you what that place is going to look good as a sheet of glass. Bye Bye HOLY LAND
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on September 12, 2001 7:43 PM
please.. i'm tired of listening to racist remarks all day. i lost a friend in the tragedy.. but if we lower ourselves to a mindest of hate, we are no different than the terrorists. like everyone, i want the perpetrators to be punished for their evil actions. but we must also think justly as good human beings and not succumb to generalizations of hate.
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on September 12, 2001 7:47 PM
Regardless of which religion those terrorists seem to claim they are, I dont think any religion can promote such a horrible deed, whether it be Judaism, Christianty or Islam. They are obviously misguided madmen who want to bend everything to fit their narrow point of view.
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on September 13, 2001 9:15 AM
I'll be playing "Bombs Over Baghdad" nice and loud when we bomb the sh!t out of those crazy terrorists.... who's with me?!
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on September 13, 2001 12:26 PM
As long as we target terrorists and not innocent civilians, I'm cool with it.
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on September 13, 2001 2:07 PM
All people in Afghanistan will perish,if they don't hand that bum and his lovers over. Its a necesary evil we must do, to prove to the world what will be done to any country harbouring terrorists, otherwise this type of chaos will become common place here in the U.S. and everywhere else. This is just the tip of the ice berg, however by obliterating Afghanistan now, we will prove to everyone that helping any terrorist will only lead to your destruction.
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on September 13, 2001 2:34 PM
But lets say, what if the terrorists were living in a country such as Norway, Germany, Sweden, France, etc.. does that mean just because they live there and it happens that some silly faction of the country wont hand them over, the whole country has to be destroyed? Please, two evils don't make a right. Think it over.
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on September 13, 2001 4:02 PM
That "silly" faction leads the country and protects and helps train our enemies. If it were in Norway, France, Greece, or anywhere else it would not make a difference. The example must be made now, or this will only escelate. Think about it.
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on September 17, 2001 12:22 PM
As much as I hate to admit it (I'm a firm beleiver that two wrongs do not make a right, not to mention I hate the feeling that any kind of death and destruction leaves in my mind) I think that you may be right in the course of actions we may have to take to help ensure, or at the very least improve the chances, that this kind of travesty may never happen again. HOWEVER, I would like some hard proof that Afghanstan is in fact harboring the terrorists that did this (need I point out that we do not know for certain who is the cause of this) before we decide to kill off all the people that live there.
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on September 13, 2001 1:37 PM
I know I shouldn't make light of the situation, but I wonder who is going to be the first studio to make a movie out of this... maybe it will happen years for now. Also, do they have to buy the story from the government?
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on September 13, 2001 1:57 PM
Hey, has no one thought that religion has nothing to do with this? This is just evil incarnate. Those behind this cannot say they are of Islam---the word Islam means peace. This is not really a religious question. It's the fight between right and wrong, good and bad, light against the darkness. Don't call it religious. Call it by its true name. EVIL.
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on September 13, 2001 2:15 PM
or call it what Bush did: "FOLKS"
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Posted by Little Old Lady English (oldhousemom@razorback.com) on September 13, 2001 2:18 PM
Anybody but me remember the episode of "The Lone Gunmen" where an airplane is "hijacked" by taking over its online computer and is programmed to ram a skyscraper? I can't remember if it was the world trade or not; the image of Tuesday's horror has so scarred my psyche, I doubt if I will be able to process much more information than "food, sleep" for a few days.
100%, I grieve for you and all of NYC.
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on October 25, 2001 5:23 PM
It was! No one I know saw that either, but yes, it was the WTC. Really scary the way they predicted that. Of course, being a conspriacy show, i'm sure diehard fans of it are already making some zany scheme
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Posted by scichick (imscichick@ivillage.com) on September 13, 2001 7:59 PM
I thought there might at least be a movie about the 4th plane that may have been brought down by the passengers. I'm sure alot of Americans would like to see Hollywood's spin on the heroics that took place to get that plane down before it reached it's target. But I'm sure there will be a few with this scenario.
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on September 17, 2001 12:29 PM
That would be an interesting movie. Though I certainly hope that the director/writer manages to capture all the emotion and pain caused by these events, and that somehow they can give an important message with the retelling of this event, something other than "You can't get America down," as that seems to be over-used. But I wouldn't count on anything coming out of the Hollywood system today being able to even remotely capture the pain and horror of this event...but then again, I can't help but think of "Schindler's List".....
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Posted by CorneliusD (No Email) on September 14, 2001 6:21 AM
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on September 13, 2001 2:56 PM
Even here in Australia, on the other side of the globe, we feel angered and sickened by these events. Whatever the US decides as the best course of action, we're here to back you up all the way.
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on September 13, 2001 3:37 PM
Children! Children!!
Calm yourselves!!!
In America, this great melting pot, we have had a breech of security. A breech of faith. A breech of living. A breech of calm. We must not let religious, racial or personal matters get in the way of this horror. Our Arab-American, Isreal-American, Irainian-American, Iraq-American and so-on brothers & sisters did not do this. Nor did those people dancin' in the streets do this. Some cowardly, stupid but determined individuals did this. And you've got to give them credit for one thing. The were willing to die for what they believed in. No matter how stupid we think it is. Now, among all the rancor and talk of war, think about this: Are you willing to do the same thing young Americans? Are you willing to go over to a strange country to die for what YOU believe in? No matter how stupid THEY think your beliefs are? Would you ram a plane into Afganistan?
Put all the hate behind you now. There are people still buried in that rubble, tapping to be heard, and firepeople & policepeople risking their lives and working their asses off under two teetering buildings trying to get those people out. Those people who crashed in Pennsylvania died so that our president could live. Those are our heros. Live for them. Give blood. Donate time. Give food. Money. Help. Hugs. Revenge comes soon enough. Act like the superpower that we are. Blow these suckers off. Like the cackroaches they are, they only come out at night and we'll be waiting. Lets get this melting pot together and brew up some AMERICAN SPIRIT!!! Forget all your petty problems. Your faults. Your desires. There are still people in that rubble. You get to eat tonight and tap on your computers. What about them, Children?
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on September 13, 2001 4:08 PM
While you give hugs our enemies are plotting more murderous acts, now is the time for redemption. I have listened to the posts explaining the logic of destroying Afghanistan, and I agree with all my might. Please Bush, make an example of these "folks".
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on September 13, 2001 4:13 PM
I believe that redemption is good and all, but we gotta plan this good! The terrorists took a long time to plan their attack, and so should we, so that we can strike with precision and certainty. And I have friends who are Afghan, and they hate like the Taliban as much as I do. And there are plenty of people in Afghanistan who are opposed to the Taliban, so I say we ally with them and kick some serious Taliban ass!
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on September 13, 2001 4:18 PM
nah...lets just destroy Afghanistan, the example will be made. It shall be titled "A1", the way to peace, by superior fire power and the obliteration of Afghanistan!
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on September 14, 2001 5:15 AM
and what are YOU doing? yes. i gave hugs, money, time, blood... what are YOU doing? yes, our enemies plot against us... as they always have done. but once again: i ask the question... ARE YOU WILLING TO DIE FOR YOUR BELIEFS? i am. God bless America. for all our faults. for all our failures. for those brave people in the towers who had the presence of mind to call their loved ones to say "I Love You" before the end. for those poor lost souls on the planes that hit the towers. for those brave souls who made that plane go down in Pennsylvania to save our president. yes child, i got off my ass to do something. have you? or do you sit there whining through your computer "our enemies plot against us!" then do something about it child! get off your ass!
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on September 17, 2001 6:36 AM
You can only judge yourself, not others.
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on September 17, 2001 6:51 AM
We all agree, how does this person know what any other dtheatre poster has contributed toward their family, friends, those in need, or for the country. Put a sock in it...CHILD.
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on September 20, 2001 6:24 PM
I don't have to put a sock in it. I think you've done for yourself, haven't you?
Open wide! This is the land of the free & brave. I'm not speaking to the thousands upon thousands of brave and wonderful dtheater people who have gotten off their butts and done something, i'm talking to people like you. "let someone else do it!" you cry. As we get hit on all sides by people who hate our freedom and our way of thinking, people like you scream :Do something!" Well, I did something, CHILD! And I will continue to speak my piece. Because I have gotten off my ass! And will continue to do so as long as i'm needed. How about you, CHILD!
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Posted by 100% AMERICAN (hellskitchen_@hotmail.com) on October 2, 2001 3:44 PM
Dry those tears up little missy, redemption is coming.
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on October 24, 2001 5:00 PM
100% AMERICAN you are so incredibly prejudiced that it is sad. What happened on september 11th was a terrible tragedy, but did anyone complain or do anything when america has been bombing these countries in the middle east for decades? no! I'm not saying america deserved this, not at all, simply that people should'nt be so quick to judge, and that there are 2 sides to every war
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on December 4, 2001 3:42 PM
By the way, I hope there are more terrorist acts performed against the USA. The reason why I'm not registered is because I'm a coward, 100% AMERICAN, your a jerk. To hell with you, with freedom, and with America!
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