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 MICHAEL MOORE HATES AMERICA Trailer
By Charley on June 10, 2004 1:27 PM
We featured a preview of the new documentary Michael Moore Hates America a while ago. Now take a look at the poster and the new trailer by Michael Wilson. Talentless ass-hacks, serious fools, and right-wing droolers are welcome in the discussion section.
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Talentless ass-hack indeed
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Posted by Loath (loath@dtheatre.com) on June 10, 2004 6:32 PM
I believe that Michael Moore often over-emphasizes and exaggerates facts to accomplish his goals. However, I found the trailer to be drastically unappealing. Such unimaginitive horse-excrement is only asking for another documentary production titled America Hates Michael Wilson.
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Michael Wilson Wants To Get Rich
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Posted by Jack (jack@dtheatre.com) on June 11, 2004 11:39 AM
Following is taken from IMDB boards. Mildly entertaining and on topic.
by - MichaelReaves352 (Tue Jun 8 20:48:46)
Hello everyone, my name is Michael Reaves and I am a writer/producer from Hollywood CA. You can find information about my credentials on Imdb. I am very proud to finally announce you my upcoming documentary: MWWTGR - Michael Wilson Wants To Get Rich.
This is not a hoax, as all the research, filming and most of the editing has been completed at this point. My film production company has a partnership with two major distributors and look out for the very first trailer to be released on June 30th! We’re aiming at a Summer 2004 release in 658 theatres across the U.S.
Incredibly enough, my documentary is uncovering the past of Mike Wilson, soon- to-be-wealthy director of Michael Moore Hates America. Our team of filmmakers went to dig into his past and interview people who studied with him in school, the city he grew up in and ultimately answer what made him think the way he thinks and make his first feature film. We then put into perspective Americans in recent history which became rich and famous by capitalizing on the fame and fortune of controversial celebrities. Look out for many surprises, including an exclusive interview with Monica Lewinsky.
This movie has no political motivation. We never tried to contact Mr. Wilson to appear in it, as it would detract from the point of our documentary.
We purchased the rights to this domain, and the website will be up June 30th:
www.michaelwilsonwantstogetrich.com
Keep checking for more info! Mr. Reaves' Website
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Posted by Jack (jack@dtheatre.com) on June 11, 2004 3:57 PM
As expected, after speaking with Michael Reaves regarding this, I can confim the above is a hoax posted by an imposter.
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on June 14, 2004 7:13 AM
Man, this guy is nothing but a talentless hack who thinks he's clever.
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on June 14, 2004 9:26 AM
regardless, it would be a great idea.
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Documentaries for everyone!
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on June 15, 2004 6:38 AM
I heard that George W Bush has comissioned a team to make a documentary about Mike Wilson who's made a documentary about Michael Moore who's made a documentary about George W Bush.
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RE: Documentaries for everyone!
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Posted by Skulllfire (Pocko@Argentina.org) on June 16, 2004 11:34 AM
Bush is better trimmed so that penis does not touch my face while I do the wonderful business. I love to give the sucky fun.
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I've held a cockatoo in my time.
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on June 19, 2004 4:47 AM
I know just what you mean, I also love to regularly give my bum chum oral pleasure, Mmmmm, I wish I had a cock in my mouth right now.
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omfg this forum is so funny
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Posted by mikemre (none) on June 20, 2004 12:18 AM
this reminds me of when this rporter lady did a thing on downloaders on vcdquality and all the ppl she interviewed were such fucking n3wbs and then after everyone saw it on tv....the vcd forum was talking about how hot she was lmao. This forum is full of ppl talking about cocks and shit....just like vcd....just to say I agree with Michael Wilson bc America is being made into one big feminist/ stupidass/ opera-loving image....they tell u what racism/sexism... are since birth and just expect us to pick up their agenda....thank you Michael Wilson for having enough brain and balls to own these ppl.
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RE: Man, you is retarded boy.
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on June 22, 2004 9:01 AM
Shut up you stupid inbred hick.
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RE: Documentaries for everyone!
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Posted by ThinkTwiceSpeakOnce (No Email) on June 22, 2004 3:22 PM
And Kerry is paying for M. Moore?
Everybody at once now....remember how?
"Right Wing Conspiracy! Right Wing Conspiracy! Right Wing Conspiracy!"
Man, we should have stayed with Clinton when we could have!
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on June 25, 2004 3:47 PM
Love the trailer. And even better to read all the Democrats getting bent out of shape. Why don't you all take a plan to Raghead Land and get with your terrorist friends :) Read and weep suckers!
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I would have done it myself
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on June 25, 2004 8:26 PM
I like Mike Wilson. I like his trailer. I will try and see this movie if possible. I think if he is trying to make tons of money off of it, I don't care because it's for a good purpose. Moore has balkanized our society with his lies and distortions and I wish he would just shut up.
Mike Wilson has put everything he has into this documentary and I hope everything goes well for him.
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on June 26, 2004 6:04 PM
idiot
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on June 26, 2004 6:05 PM
just what we need! a documentary by a close-minded, american loving, sister fucking, gun weilding hick!!!!
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on June 26, 2004 9:55 PM
Really? Raghead Land? So you enjoy stereotypes? Racism? Hate? Enjoy when right-wing groups try to stop a film that shows the reality of the war we're in? I'm sorry, but the last time I checked dead bodies were FACTS. Michael Moore displays the true inhumanity of war and is accused of lying. I think the right wingers are lying to themselves. Oh, and I think this documentary has no factual value whatsoever and that no liberal with their sanity will waste their time boycotting it.
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on June 27, 2004 5:10 PM
I dont care if Mike Wilson wants to get rich, after all, isnt that what Michael Moore did? The truth of the matter is someone needs end Moore's outrageous fame/propoganda/demagogue hate America campaign. So go cry about it!!!
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left wing bitter worthless hypocrite piece of shit
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on June 28, 2004 6:58 AM
Michael more not only hates America, but he wants the rest of the world to do so as well. I live in France and Michael's tv shows are run here on a weekly basis. His DVD's pave the walls at the video rental shops.
I'm glad he's getting a "rectal" examination by this new film, and I hope this film is plastered everywhere in Europe as well.
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on June 29, 2004 12:52 AM
Trailer looks pretty good to me.
I don't understand why you people get so mad at this guy :(
I know I'd like to see it
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random bullshit movie
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on June 29, 2004 5:38 AM
at least MM puts humor in his movies.
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on June 29, 2004 6:58 AM
If you can't see through Moore's "half truths", you're a sucker.
Can't wait to see him exposed.
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on June 29, 2004 9:52 AM
Michael Moore is a damn Canadian! So stop worshipping him! He is a FAT STUPID WHITE MAN! So stop worshipping him! There is no excuse, so don't even try!
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on June 29, 2004 12:38 PM
The hard part for me to understand is how people actualy support Bush for president.
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on June 29, 2004 1:42 PM
Jesus. I've always believed not to stereotype anybody or judge anybody, but my God are most American people dumb! I'm sorry if Farenheit 9/11 is hitting on some home truths about the so called 'War On Terrorism, George 'I'm too dumb to even spell Iraq, let alone find it on a map' Bush and your so called great America, but just face facts that, though Michael Moore does over exaggerate and stretch the facts at times he's far more truthful that some of your government at this moment. No white right wing hatin' and moaning about how somebody hates your country is going help mask the truth. No bullshit propaganda film is going to help either. Are a lot of you Americans really this dumb or is it just an act?
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Posted by TheFilmProphet (FilmProphet@hotmail.com) on June 29, 2004 3:26 PM
Forget Micheal Moore and his movie soon Spider--Man 2 will destroy it and everyone won't even know who he is anymore.
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on June 30, 2004 8:33 AM
The thing with us Americans is that when people for other countries criticise us we just tell them we don't give a fuck about what they think and that they're just jealous that their country isn't as great as ours. The problem is that when someone like Michael Moore starts criticising then all we can do is try to make him out as some sort of fraud who's only out to take advantage of dumb people and make himself some money.
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on June 30, 2004 2:42 PM
This guy nothing but fuking scam artist trying to rip off the people, and trying to seperate them from there wallets. I dont like bush because he is a useless moron but i dont like people making movies on lies about everything.
This guy can burn in hell and so can all the liberal hippes that worship him!!!!!!!!!
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on June 30, 2004 3:37 PM
are you schitzo? what is up with the arguments with yourself?
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on June 30, 2004 3:38 PM
that rocks. I am a dumbass
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on June 30, 2004 3:41 PM
dumbass = a random shemp
dumbass
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on June 30, 2004 6:07 PM
I like the filmmaker's comment in the old trailer. "You can only push the truth so far for your own benefit" or whatever it was. Yes, by all means, someone better be out there to make sure no one is pushing the truth *too* far. Pppfftt
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Original Trailer is excellent
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on June 30, 2004 8:23 PM
Forget political ties or affiliations. I for one am independent and am actually fairly soured on the "politics of politics" or more plainly, the symantics and manipulation through arguments on both sides.
The reason I liked the first trailer, was because it is the first time in a long time where I have seen a documentary actually exploring the limitations of a documentary. The last time I saw this was in the wonderful film "Stranger with a Camera." I am frustrated with Michael Moore because I feel he markets his films as documentaries, when they don't truly follow the spirit of documentaries, which is to deliver a fair and realistic view of a subject.
The second trailer has more about what a great country America is and whatnot, but I think the real power of this movie (hopefully, it depends on what the focus is) will be the presentation of how a documentary should be even-handed.
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on June 30, 2004 9:06 PM
youre just jealous you didn't think of it first. you just suck.
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on June 30, 2004 9:30 PM
I'd let Moore make his films, and the other dude make his. It doens't matter who I believe, I don't HAVE to believe any of it, they are movies and can say whatever they want, it's not the end of the world. Politics should never be in a movie medium, anyway...
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MM hates america cuz he won't talk to his clown?
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on June 30, 2004 9:38 PM
This guy's movie is baseless...I happen to like Moore, and yes, documentaries are supposed to be one sided. However, claiming that Moore hates America because he won't waste his time with this kid and his camera? Look, any kid with half a brain and access to expensive camera equipment (about 95% of all college students in this country) can show up with a camera and tape themselves asking Leonard Nimoy about his underwear preference...It doesn't mean it makes for good television or film. This kid happens to be a teeny bit smarter than that 95% quotient and knows where to point that camera when hot topics are discussed. Probably an economics student at one point, I can see this guy being a great manager of his three McDonalds franchises in America.
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RE: MM hates america cuz he won't talk to his clown?
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on June 30, 2004 10:23 PM
Hey, fuknut, isn't that EXACTLY how Michael Moore came to noteriety? By making a little movie called "Roger and Me" in which he threw scathing accusations at GM CEO Roger Smith, and Smith refused the interview? This kid is following your (false)hero's footsteps, and he's just a young punk? Get a fuckin clue, cockknocker...
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RE: Talentless ass-hack indeed
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on June 30, 2004 11:58 PM
hmm...ok well...im gonna make a documentary titled "i dont care about michael wilson, michael moore, or anything about their lives, please stop coming into my theater previews"
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RE: Loath is a Talentless ass-hack indeed
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on July 1, 2004 8:28 AM
Do the Michael Moore goon squads have to try to stifle ALL opposition? Your tearing down of Michael Wilson is baseless and just another attempt to diminish the opposition without having to address the very valid points Wilson raises.
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on July 1, 2004 9:11 AM
Who the fuck IS Michael Moore anyway? And does he actually exsist!?
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on July 1, 2004 10:04 AM
Michael Moore Has Bitch Tits
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RE: Loath is a Talentless ass-hack indeed
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Posted by Loath (loath@dtheatre.com) on July 1, 2004 11:21 AM
Oh, naturally I'm in a Michael Moore goon squad because I comment on the fact that Michael Wilson hyperbolizes a point everyone with half a brain knows about in a very untalented, unwitty, unoriginal style. Do you think one politically motivated lunatic is better than another? You must live in Florida.
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on July 1, 2004 11:39 AM
you can milk anything with nipples...like his career is being milked. while you are being bilked.
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RE: MM hates america cuz he won't talk to his clown?
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Posted by Loath (loath@dtheatre.com) on July 1, 2004 11:42 AM
The point is that when Michael Moore did it, he was original. This poor redneck wants to imitate what Moore did...against him. If Michael Wilson ever gets rich, it'll be 100% based on the fact he was known for slamming a "celebrity" he wants so very much to become. Michael Moore raises a variety of points in an attempt to cause activity in the brains of all who view his work, no matter what their political stance. Michael Wilson flaunts a single, obvious point in a shameless attempt to discredit Moore for 15 minutes of fame and a fatter wallet.
One last point for you close-minded clowns to realize, is that the more this guy bashes Moore, the more Moore will be heard.
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RE:crying is for sissies
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on July 1, 2004 12:50 PM
Jealous!
You jealous bitches!
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RE: Loath is a Talentless ass-hack indeed
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on July 1, 2004 1:07 PM
Right wingers have this knee-jerk, "YOU CAN'T CENSOR ME!" attitude because they are always the ones who are trying to censor people. You see, when liberals disagree with someone, they aren't trying to censor him, they're just saying that his movie is going to be stupid (not to put too fine a point on it). Loath never said he shouldn't be able to do it, he just said that he shouldn't have done it. Very different sentiments.
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Who gives a shit...
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on July 1, 2004 1:39 PM
Go out and watch a good movie, like Spiderman 2 or something.
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on July 1, 2004 1:41 PM
oh man...i totally dont care anymore. stop making documentaries and leave me in peace with my spiderman 2.
or else im gonna make one called "why i really dont give a shit about michael wilson, michael moore, or anyone else, leave me the hell alone"
....by the way the quote about milking anything with nipples, that was from meet the parents.
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RE: Who gives a shit...
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on July 1, 2004 1:43 PM
yeah, spiderman 2 was pretty kickass....
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Hey, I hope he does fine...
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on July 1, 2004 3:13 PM
For me, everyone's opinion is a good thing. You see, I don't let other people think for me. I take in everything that everyone says, then, based on what I can find out, make as clear opinion of the situation myself. Nobody has all the facts.
So, kiddies, don't buy anyone's line. Think for yourself. *That's* the American way.
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on July 1, 2004 5:31 PM
in science, objectivity is extremely important. the idea is that you take everything you know, look at it from an unbiased point of view, and then (hopefully) find the best explanation for what youre looking at. true science has no agenda. unfortunately, politics, and religion, dont aspire to those standards. i would like to say, michael moore does lay out some facts in his documentry. i assume that michael wilson will do the same. i also assume that, like michael moore, he will take those facts and present his own opinion, and interpretation of those facts. those are the parts everyone should be concerned with in either documentry.
peer review is meant to regulate opinions in science (somewhat). it seems to me that criticism is the best path towards improvement, and truth, and i highly doubt that michael moore hates america, because it makes little sense to fight so passionately to change something he actually hates. also, hes not canadian.
me, im just indifferent. all governments remove personal freedom.
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Loath needs to meet more people
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on July 1, 2004 6:05 PM
You all say that people with half a brain know that Michael Moore skews everything and presents things out of context. But the sad fact of the matter is, the VAST MAJORITY out there do NOT see his bias or that of the government he rails against. They simply take the side of the pundit who argues in favor of their own views. Remember, people hate to have their views altered and will cotton to those who share their own view.
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And why should anyone see this thing?
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on July 1, 2004 6:23 PM
I predict that people will stay away in droves. You gotta earn your journalistic cred. This Wilson character just looks like a frat boy with a smirk. Yawn.
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on July 1, 2004 8:50 PM
this thread is way too long
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RE: Excellent trailer
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on July 1, 2004 8:56 PM
hehehe. you're funny. but we shall see who laughs last, you global imperialist anti intellectual hack.
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RE: I would have done it myself
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on July 1, 2004 8:59 PM
has balkanized our society with his lies and distortions:
a) George Bush
b) Michael Moore
oh yeah, a couple of real "uniters", here...
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RE: left wing bitter worthless hypocrite piece of shit
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on July 1, 2004 9:01 PM
oh, is THAT what the palme d'or is used for? that explains the shape.
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on July 1, 2004 9:02 PM
really? that is the LAST thing i want to see. i like him much better with his clothes on....
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on July 1, 2004 9:05 PM
good one. that is what they said after Roger and Me. some people really don't get it, do they? love him or hate him, he is as much a part of the landscape as Rush Limbaugh, now.
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RE: moore the fat one
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on July 1, 2004 9:06 PM
i think you have the wrong Michael. wasn't it Eisner?
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RE: Original Trailer is excellent
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on July 1, 2004 9:09 PM
...which is probably NOT what this film will be about. but, i'll give it a shot.
btw- i have yet to see a documentary that does NOT have a point of view- although admittedly, Moore doesn't disguise his as well as say, Ken Burns.
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on July 1, 2004 9:13 PM
did it stop being kickass when you left the theater?
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on July 1, 2004 9:19 PM
i don't believe you are indifferent, but i happen to agree with you.
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on July 1, 2004 9:59 PM
In science, most research is peer reviewed by the researchers "objective" golf buddies and people put as much faith in it as other people put in religion--another bullshit line of thought.
Question everything and you will be safe. Question only the things that conflict with your sheltered world view and you you are a silly yes-man.
Every single person who thinks that the people who are for Moore want Wilson's movie shelved is somoeone who doesn't understand criticism. Every person who is for Moore and actually does want Wilson's movie shelved is just a closet Faschist.
Like most right wing douche bags.
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on July 1, 2004 10:02 PM
Not so long as this one. And not as full of dumbasses.
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Liberalism is default. Liberals do not think.
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on July 2, 2004 3:17 AM
I find it amusing, and sickening that all the liberals can come up with to defend their hero, michael moore is calling anyone who criticizes him 'inbred redneck' or whatever. Then they go on to call whoever doesn't share their skewed liberal views 'racist' after making these kinds of comments. It is obvious that the majority of liberals avoid the truth. If they gave themselves the chance to actually -think- for once about the issues they protest about, they probably wouldn't stay liberal very long. These people's idiotic views would turn America into a second-rate craphole like France...
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on July 2, 2004 9:58 AM
How can it be the American way when George Bush tries to stop films like Michael Moores from being released?
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RE: Liberalism is default. Liberals do not think.
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on July 2, 2004 10:33 AM
What are you talking about? Liberalism as a term is used to refer to the free-thinking mind coming up with new ideals while conservatism is traditional in nature. Look up the definitions. I hate how you like to stereotype liberals as a whole as avoiding the "truth" which by the way is how you percieve the truth obviously. I am liberal but I confront the truth all the time. I've been to bowlingfortruth.com and realized his mistakes. I look at both sides and am obviously more open to the "truth" than you. Hypocrite.
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RE: Liberalism is default. Liberals do not think.
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on July 2, 2004 10:50 AM
What you know about France is what you heard Sean Hannity tell you. It's sad that Americans think that every other country is functioning poorly and that the US is the only good place to live. I suppose next that you're going to tell me that other countries hate us because of our freedom. And you're recommending that others think for themselves. HA!
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Wilson makes valid points???
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on July 3, 2004 6:52 AM
Uh, yeah, sure he does. Oh, wait, what he makes is useless garbage that rips off the Moore style of filmmaking, without purloining any of the talent, humor or original thought. Even the poster is a rip off. The guy's a talentless moron.
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on July 3, 2004 10:38 AM
I would like to know where this guy's from above me.
If America's dumb, why is it responsible for 60% of the worlds economy, the first country to ever land on the moon, and last but not least, smart enough to create this great nation with our blood and sweat.
Yeah. Were real idiots!!
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on July 3, 2004 1:38 PM
You right wingers who think America is the centre of the world just prove how narrow-minded and unworldly you can be at times. Any of you lot been France? Or is it too much of a "second-rate craphole" that you would just hate to visit. Maybe you haven't got a passport, or maybe you can't find France in an atlas. America is the best place to live? Considering I'm probably more likely to get shot and killed there than many, many other countries in the world. Sorry to burst many American's bubbles here but America really isn't the most envied country in the world. We all do not wish to become narrow-minded right winger Yanks. We do not get jealous when you bomb innocent civilians overseas. We do not envy your crooked politiks. We all do not wish to become obese. Get over the fact that Michael Moore has exposed Bush boy and his mugs for what they are. That other fool simply jumping on the "let's attack Moore" just smells of cheap publicity to get his ugly mug in the news for 5 minutes.
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on July 3, 2004 3:59 PM
Funny how pissy people get about this flick.
I like the fact that Michael Moore relies on freedom of speech to promote his films, ideas, and values... yet as soon as some one else exhibits such freedom (especially if it challenges him), everyone is quick to jump all over them.
You all should try practicing what you preach. If you truly love freedom of speech, and the core values of this country that Michael Moore and other propagandists so heavily rely on - then you must embrace Michael Wilson's freedoms as much as Michael Moore's.
While you can argue their messages and ideas, you cannot argue the fact that they choose to believe what they may. One is no better than the other. If we are forced to accept that one is, and must silence opposition - then we really wouldn't be American any more, now would we?
In addition, if you are so sure of Michael Moore's ideas and beliefs, than Michael Wilson should be of no concern to you.
Hmmm... I really wonder what has you all so bothered.
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on July 3, 2004 4:03 PM
Who cares if he just wants to get rich - that's what capitalism is all about.
Besides, if the Michael Moore fanatics have their way and establish redistribution of wealth... Michael Wilson's wealth and success would only lead to accomodation and better lives for the masses!
Screw working hard and making a life for yourself - that's the government's job!! Woo hoo!!
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on July 3, 2004 9:47 PM
As a Native American, I have to agree. Most US citizens are so sheltered and so uncultured that they really do believe the propaganda about the USA being infallible and this country being the greatest place in the world. They think every other country is a police state where the people live in shacks and mud huts. Guess what! The USA is the most successful police state in the history of corrupt governments.
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Posted by Loath (loath@dtheatre.com) on July 4, 2004 12:29 AM
If I was saying he shouldn't be allowed to have created his "documentary", I'd be infringing on his freedom of speech. However, if I'm stating that, as an un-biased individual, I wouldn't be caught dead seeing this cheap hack of an uninspired documentary whose only aim is to dwell on the prosperity of delivering comfort to the far right wing and a temporary flurry of fame to an untalented individual, what right have you to say I shouldn't?
It sounds like you're very confused about how freedom of speech works. If you'll notice, my very first line was "I believe that Michael Moore often over-emphasizes and exaggerates facts to accomplish his goals." Never once have I, or will I, give my support to Michael Moore. Hell, I haven't even seen Farenheit 9/11, but I believe what he said was going to be said eventually, and the fact remains that Wilson, though I've only seen his trailers, appears to be a five star "talentless ass-hack".
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Posted by Loath (loath@dtheatre.com) on July 4, 2004 12:48 AM
Once again, I must stress that everyone with half a brain has outgrown the need for such unalluring tripe. If you are one of those that finds yourself believing everything you're told by a fat man on a big screen, I highly recommend you devote a few hours to Wilson's documentary. If you have possibly been to school, or have otherwise come to meet life or reality, then this documentary has absolutely no meaning and lacks a purpose.
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on July 4, 2004 2:54 PM
I haven't asked Mike Wilson personally but if I were to guess I'd say he's probably libertarian. Libertarians DON'T belong to either the left or the right yet they are often confused by those who consider themselves of the left or right to belong of to the "other side". Libertarians are looked at as curious and annoying creatures who most everyone would agree should just "go away". They get this treatment for making both ends of the political spectrum feel unconfortable by questioning almost all political activity comming from both the left and the right. Libertarians are congenial synics and rely on research and investigation using a scientific outlook to question and conclude their opinions. The left and the right hate this kind of nit-picky attitude and often exclude more serious Libertarian politics from their political debates.
It is almost blindingly clear that both the left and right rely on passion with minimal intellectual rigour to back their claims. They almost always feel strongly about a particular stance or point of view but will often forget why they feel that way. It's just conveniant to at some point and it "feels good" just to belong to their respective groups.
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on July 4, 2004 3:09 PM
they attack the other side without question and without real curiosity to hear what they have to say. it becomes automatic, their responses, their emotions, and their hatred. Libertarians like to point these behaviors out and like to try and debunk well cherrished beliefs of both the left and right not to see what kind of reaction they'll get from them, but to better understand what is going on politicaly, economicaly, and socialy with the world. Libertarians are hated for this, but I would say no group hates them more then the far left. True the right complains about our being for legalized prostitution, legalizing drugs and ending the "war on drugs", and free choice to woman; but they rarely if ever accuse Libertarians of being left-wing wacko's. The left on the other hand not only misinterprets a libertarian's views, he goes on to accuse him of belonging to a group for which he clearly does not belong to and does not agree with politicaly. Libertarians are very often attacked for being "right-wing wacko's", Conservatives...we are nothing of the sort. We disagree with the right as much as you do! But your hatred of the right goes so far that you forget that we agree with you on many points and attack as, mis-label us and discard us merely for not agreeing with you on a number of topics. The left is, I'm sorry to say, more militant in their attacking, in their accusing, in their lack of tollerance towards those who do not agree with them on every issue. It's almost cult-like... They are so indoctranated (as the right could be and is many times) with their beliefs that they never question anything! This is being closed minded, this is mob-rule. I am not hear to voice an opinion on what I think of the movie. I don't care to share my views with to sides who will merely attack me personaly for my holding a particular viewpoint and not for the viewoint
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on July 4, 2004 3:15 PM
itself....i know this is a long blog, i don't care. make fun of me for that too. if you have an ounce of curiosity, one fiber in you that want's to at least know who the hell i am for comming out like this and saying this go online somewhere and find out what a Libertarian is. We are not conservative, we are not right wing, we are not left wing. We just like to be free to live our lives how we want to and not be restricted from this goal by ill-informed, ill-prepared, intelectualy lethargic, passionate groups. It's good to be passionate... have good reasons to back that up. I apoligize if i've offended anyone or have waisted your time.
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on July 5, 2004 6:40 AM
You're all a bunch of damn Commies!
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on July 5, 2004 7:51 PM
commies? dear me.
has it occured to any of you that this is really funny?
moore's documentary is filled with obvious bias, as Loath was so happy to point out is in fact OBVIOUS, while wilson's (that's his name, right?) previews look funny because of their obvious self pity and misplaced mimicry.
as to left and right debating up and down here, face facts
whatever you say is only going to piss the other side off, no matter how valid your point is.
as to the rest of this:
france is beautiful and doing fine.
and america is (currently) a shithole country divided painfully between the left and the right. Isn't this why Thomas Jefferson wanted a one party system?
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on July 6, 2004 7:52 AM
Yea but your soccer team is shit.
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on July 6, 2004 12:14 PM
I just wanted to comment that I enjoyed, on various levels, everyones posts on this subject and will point out that both liberal and conservative groups thrive off of any controversy. Case in point, who benefitted more when conservatives tried to censor F911? Who benefits by fueling controversy over Michael Wilson's movie? We all know the answer. I think our system is broken beyond repair and will have to crumble to the ground before real change will happen. I just don't see anything less dramatic than a total breakdown of our political and economic systems as powerful enough to change the core of these systems and both systems do have rot that has reached their core from many routes. Pessimistic? Nihilistic? Realistic? Anarchistic? Whatever you think I may be, please remember this is only my opinion and I have no more right to it than anyone else has to their own opinions. May the world, not just the United States, move toward more freedom and more happiness for all people.
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on July 6, 2004 9:16 PM
my friend...it is a one party system....Repugs and demos both believe in the same thing...BIG business...what we need is a multi-party system...but that is not possible here...
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on July 7, 2004 4:53 AM
that's funny and sadly true
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on July 7, 2004 5:04 AM
HEY GENIUSES WHO THINK AMERICA SUCKS,
GUESS WHO FRANCE OWES ITS VERY EXISTENCE TODAY TO? (hint: Germany and WWII)
THAT'S RIGHT. AMERICA!
fyi, for some people America is the greatest place in the world, just as France or any other place is for others. SO CUT OUT THE EGOTISTICAL BULLSHIT, come back down to earth, and realize that
EVERYTHING IS RELATIVE!!!
(you're goin in circles)
end of thread!
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on July 7, 2004 5:06 AM
to put it in the most suttle sense:
you're a COMPLETE IDIOT!
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on July 7, 2004 5:10 AM
You implying that Moore is Canadian, doesn't make sense. Also, Michael Moore always says he loves America---do u just ignore that part? Anyone that supports Bush is blind. Also--one of the dumbest things people say is this: "Bush is our leader, and we should support him." What kinda crap is that? You can't criticize someone's terrible rule of a nation? people should be extra critical of leaders--it shows they aren't turning a blind eye to things.
Its not the American people that Moore criticizes, its the leadership of questionable people...and you'd have to be dumb to think that more Americans aprove of Bush than not.
Losers.
Written by a Canadian by the way.
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on July 7, 2004 5:20 AM
You're Canadian? GREAT!!! congratulations...
but wait...
that means you can't vote!!! so, who gives a fuck about your opinion on America.
Who the hell do you think you are?
shouldn't you be arguing the Quebec independence or something!
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on July 7, 2004 6:48 AM
Very nice....oh --so Canadians can't comment on your ignorance, eh? You know---its a shame about people like you you--so close minded. You know, there are other countries in the world....I can send you an atlas if you'd like.
I am also a member of Amnesty International, so I care about all countries and hope that their people are treated fairly....sound like you only care about YOUR county. Sounds close minded to me.
You also don't sound too smart- amusing-but not smart.
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on July 7, 2004 9:16 AM
Yea, eh?
I think you should get the "Bestest World Citizen Award," eh?
Or the "I Actually Believe My Own Bullshit Award," eh?
Or how about the, "I Call Other People Stupid But I Can't Spell 'countRy' Right Award," eh?
What do you think, eh?
You think you know me, eh?
You seem to imply that you know the atlas pretty well, but can u find, "Uráturd"?
It's located in Canada, in front of a computer, reading this exact thread. A+
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on July 7, 2004 9:37 AM
seriously, "Canadian Citizen," who the fuck gives you the right the be so damn pompous and to point the "ignorance" of a great country as America!
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on July 7, 2004 9:45 AM
nice try man...everyone makes typos----big deal. So why the hostility?
Are you going to teach your kids the same ignorance you display here? I am a proud Canadian, and enjoy the company of my southern neighbors too. Why don't you show you have intelligence instead of trying to bully people around with your antics?
And for the last time, Michael Moore does not hate America! He is passionate about his country. Also--the trailer for the Hate America movie looks aweful....its full of cliches from cheesy God bless America flicks.
So...you HONESTLY think that people of pooer incomes feel happy about how they are treated by the Bush era? One of the Great things Moore touches on, is that when a country makes military a NUMBER 1 priority over homelessness, healthcare, education and the environment, its WRONG. You can't rule a nation with fear.
Anyway---you're not the brightest, so I guess u'll just reply by more bullying remarks with no merit.
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on July 7, 2004 9:47 AM
I didnt say America was ignorant! Where did I say that??? I refered to the person's comments? Do they represent America as a whole? Really? Please let me know.
But then again, they are probably a Bush supporter, therefore, has no hope.
a shame.
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on July 7, 2004 9:54 AM
France has an awesome soccer team--they lost to the eventual UEFA champs, Greece.
signed
-Greek-Canadian girl
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on July 7, 2004 10:10 AM
as a matter of fact I will:
if you love Michael Moore so much: FUCK HIM!
Then, you can both teach your kids to hate America.
and I have a feeling this is the same damn Canadian as before!
You're a retard!
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on July 7, 2004 10:12 AM
so what if I'm Canadian? Whats the big deal? How mature is it that u called me a retard? A cousin of mine was mentally retarded and died recently...yeah---your very mature. Again-are u ever intelligent?
Hmmm...u probable don't like immigrants either....u sound like thay type.
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on July 7, 2004 10:21 AM
Can't take the jokes, eh?
Go cry about it!
looks the retardness runs rampid in your family. I rest case!
Nothing gives you the right criticize America, you should be seriously worried about yourself and not others.
One more thing, makind assumptions as to what "kind" or "type" of person I am is the real juvenile thing!
Do every one a favor and fuck off!
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on July 7, 2004 10:22 AM
and my parents are immigrants, you bastard!
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on July 7, 2004 10:32 AM
i don't hate America--geesh! I lived here for 15 years!!!!!
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on July 7, 2004 10:38 AM
riiight but that would make you a U.S. citizen!
Once again, stop believing your own bullshit. It's obvious im dealing with the lowest form of life.
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on July 7, 2004 12:27 PM
i think u have your political parties messed up! moron!
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on July 8, 2004 5:32 AM
At long last it is here! Proof that an ordinary guy with a computer can take on the combined forces of Mike Wilson and Brian Cartmell and make them look stupid (not too difficult, really, when you think about it).
See the Michael Wilson Hates Filmmaking website which takes the *!?@* out of that forthcoming lamefest of inept and illiterate movie making, Michael Moore Hates America
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on July 8, 2004 7:24 AM
Michael does hate America. Anyone that buys into his propaganda bullshit hates America too!!! Move to France you ass jockeys.
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on July 8, 2004 8:10 AM
They looked pretty shit to me, especially in the last world cup.
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on July 8, 2004 8:12 AM
Suttle, ha that's classic!
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on July 8, 2004 8:14 AM
If I recall, didn't France help out the U.S when they had that whole Hoo-Haa with the Brits? Like you said, it's all relative.
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on July 8, 2004 8:16 AM
Ma moma always did tell me that which does not kill ya makes ya stronger.
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on July 8, 2004 8:17 AM
It's called freedom of speech, don't you have that in America anymore?
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on July 8, 2004 8:19 AM
You love your mom right? Does that mean you fuck her?
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on July 8, 2004 8:24 AM
Ever seen deliverence? Were you in it?
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on July 8, 2004 11:07 AM
You are very scientific, so how about this:
Yes, I love my mom and, no I dont have sex with her, but she did give birth to me...
therefore,
You love Michael Moore, and you say you dont wanna fuck him, but then he must have given birth to YOU!
Hence, that must mean u are the ugliest thing alive!
And to bring my mother in to this is absolutely scum. It just shows that you have no ability to argue or me witty. In short, YOU ARE A F-U-C-K-I-N SISSY!
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Posted by Parsley (No Email) on July 8, 2004 4:54 PM
If your goal is the furtherance of your own opinions, it does not serve you well to resort to classic small-brained responses such as, "You're an idiot" or "What a f***ing sissy!" If you have a point which you consider to be VALID, do try to elaborate without humiliating yourselves.
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on July 8, 2004 11:24 PM
actually it's YOU'RE A FUCKIN SISSY!
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on July 8, 2004 11:27 PM
oh yea, one more thing... point proven, thanks!
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Posted by Parsley (No Email) on July 9, 2004 2:51 AM
Point proven? I assume you meant your point has been proven, but your proof seems to have eluded the message board. All that made it through was a poorly articulated opinion and a bunch of ad hominem fillers. But, if indeed you do have a provable point and the evidence to support it, by all means, share it with the rest of us.
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on July 9, 2004 6:31 AM
It looks awful! And the title is misleading...basically Wilson is collecting some God Bless the USA stories, and not being at all critical about un-American values displayed by the Bush regime.
I hope this movie gets dissed, because from what I see, he isn't a very strong filmmaker, just a wannabe.
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on July 9, 2004 8:14 AM
Liberals are very happy and completely out of touch with reality.
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on July 9, 2004 8:34 AM
I think you have your "regimes" messed up! Coming from a former communist country, I know that "regime" is a very strong word. Don't use it, if you have no idea what it means, to be ruled by the system and to have everything taken away from you, even your most undeniable human rights.
In America no one infringes upon your right to vote, to free speech, press, religion, assembly, etc. As a matter of fact, free speech is the reason why you and I have the right to express our opinions and not be put into jail for it. If you are an American you have the most rights and freedoms of any other person in the world. You should value these freedoms and rights and never take them for granted. Morever, the that there is a two main party political system in America, not only keeps it in balance but keeps it moving ahead.
So, express your opinion by voting and discussing it in an American manner, rather then by sending the wrong exaggerated message to foreigners about how bad everything is in America. Sure we have our own problems but who doesn't? The expression almost sounds like a wining baby. I certainly don't think that George Washington, John Adams, Benjamin Franklin, or any of the founders of our country would ever have used "regime" or anything negative to describe America even in the most difficult of times.
I feel sorry for America many times because it is so helpful to others that at times it is almost seems "naively good." The problem with many foreigners is that they are bombarded by false notions, many of which were sadly originated by Americans. Foreigners, even myself many years ago, could not comprehend that such a "good intentioned" country as America exists. I have spoken to people from Kosovo, Israel, and Iraq that are so grateful to America (I understood them not only in their words but by what was in their eyes). This is the reason why one should never get tired of saying in all of its meaning, "God Bless America."
I hope you do not get the wrong impression of my posting and merely take this as an interpretation of someone who has stood in several different "shoes." I hope you feel proud and lucky to be an American.
More accurate use:
Saddam Hussein was a regime.
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on July 9, 2004 10:45 AM
what? doesn't regime mean a government in power? woulnd't that make the bush administration a regime? regime doesn't automatically mean fascist dictator, you nut.
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on July 9, 2004 10:57 AM
dude, are you fuckin retarded or somethin. That guy is absolutely right. Last time I checked, America was a democracy, not a social system or regime!
Even a kindergartener would now that, but wait you must not have have much of an education!
you're also a loser for puttin that guy down!
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on July 9, 2004 6:11 PM
hahaha...yea but you have to be a citizen
so not for you it doesnt, dumbass
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on July 9, 2004 6:15 PM
I cant recall anything in world history that is referred to as "the Hoo-Haa with the Brits".
And I'm not sure if France even has guns or an army, for that matter!
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on July 10, 2004 12:18 AM
"Regime" is the party in power and their ilk. Look it up.
But, if we want to make it mean a party in power that takes away rights like freedom to vote, freedom of speech, freedom of choice over one's body, freedom of education, etc., I'm pretty sure we can make that definition work for the current US administration.
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on July 10, 2004 2:50 AM
If it were up to me, you should be shot for treason!
You know, in ancient Greek civilization, they threw babies like you off cliffs!
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on July 10, 2004 2:59 AM
yea man go live somehwere else if all ya can do is complain
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on July 10, 2004 11:31 AM
Complaining is the American way. Unfortunately, so is falling into line like a good automaton, apparently. Do you want the US to be like ancient Greece? Do you want people to be shot for treason for voicing a disagreement with the government? Do you want the US to be free, or not? Your line of reasoning is completely unreasonable.
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on July 10, 2004 12:57 PM
Complaining is the American way, what the hell is your reasoning!?!? How about working together to improve! Geez, what are you, like a 3 year old?!?!
And, DAMN, your way of thinking is so parochial, ever heard of sarcasm or wit! Dont take everything so literally, that is exactly the problem with many liberals, they cant think for themselves!
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Posted by Parsley (No Email) on July 11, 2004 2:54 AM
First, the word "regime" may be defined by Webster as nothing more than a governing political unit, buch such a benign usage hardly applies today. In today's world, the word is typically reserved for oppressive governments and usually implies fascist, dictatorial political systems.
Second, America is not a democracy, but rather a republic. The difference between the two is that in a pure democracy, the people have no representatives, and any decisions made with regards to the government are decided by a "majority rules" vote. In a republic, however, the people vote for representatives who, in turn, cast votes in government decisions (i.e., bills, amendments, etc.) The important distinction between a democracy and republic, which few Americans understand, is that while a representative casts a vote based on a democratic-style, "majority rules" vote by the people he represents, it is possible that the vote may have a different outcome than the same vote in a democracy; for example, the presidential elections of 2000. The Electoral College system is set up so that each state is worth a certain number of votes, based on population. When the people vote for the ticket of their choosing, the votes are tallied and the ticket which recieves the most votes (by democratic, "majority rules") recieves all of the electoral votes for that state. Ergo, as with the election in 2000, it is possible that a majority of the American voters will vote for one ticket, but the opposition wins because it is the electoral vote which counts, NOT the popular vote. In a democracy, the winning ticket would simply be the one which wins the popular vote.
Finally, to say that the current administration is impinging on the American people's right to vote is asinine. I'm not even sure how you can arrive at the conclusion that the Bush White House is threatening your right to vote or freedom of speech. As far as education is concerned, I'd like to know where in the Constitution education is stated as a right of the American people. It is a privilege, not a right. And freedom of choice over one's body? I assume you refer to the issue of abortion. The claim that a woman has a "right" to abort her unborn baby hinges on the definition of when the fetus become a human life, which in turn defines whether or not abortion is murder. Unless we are prepared to argue that topic, I suggest we not delve into whether or not this administration is fighting to deny our rights to our own bodies.
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on July 11, 2004 12:31 PM
dude, WHAT ARE YOU SMOKIN?!?! If that isnt the stupidest mumbo-jumbo I have ever heard in my life, I don't what is!
seriously, what has infested your brain and where are you researching?!?! Regime? Republic? Are you on the right page of your text?
First of all, the falicy of the "regime" notion has been explained to you before so stop trying too hard with that one (plus your contradicting yourself). Second, the theory that America was founded as a republic is a notion among conservatives, hence the word "republican." That is how I know you fucked up with your research! Moreover, it has VERY little to do with our PRESIDENTIAL electoral system today. Certainly has NOTHING to do with the crap you wrote! If ya don't believe me, take it to any political science professor, but be advised, they might laugh at you!
Third, where the hell did you get the topic of "abortion." Lay of those drugs and take some political science classes instead! Your probably refering to what the immigrant guy wrote about "undeniable human rights." Anyone with half a brain knows what that is, its in our Consitution too called our "inalienble rights"! READ IT, I have no time to tutor you!
Education?!?! privilege not right? great! Think what you may on that topic but I dont give a flying fuck! Again your on the wrong page! I only implied that you need an education before you decide to lecture others.
When I said liberals cant think for themselves, your response was to frantically research what other people thought (dont deny it, cuz you're only kiddin yourself)! My theory attested, most liberals can't think for themselves!
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Posted by Parsley (No Email) on July 11, 2004 3:14 PM
1. "The falicy of the 'regime' notion" has not been explained, certainly not by you. The fact that you said the Bush administration is a regime is not an explanation, just a poorly supported opinion.
2. I didn't contradict myself, and I'd like to know where in my post you think I did.
3. Before you get your emotional panties in a wad, look up the definitions of "republic" and "democracy." A democracy has no head of state, such as the President, but it may have representatives to represent the people. A republic must have representatives, and does have a non-monarchic head of state, such as the President. Athens was a democracy, my friend. The United States is a republic. Go back and read the Pledge of Allegiance if you're unsure; it doesn't say, "and to the DEMOCRACY for which it stands."
4. This has nothing to do with believing you or not believing you. It has to do with me being right and you being wrong.
5. When I commented on abortion, I was attempting to interpret what you said about the current administration trying to take away "rights like ... freedom of choice over one's body." If you weren't referring to abortion, please expound on what you DID mean, because you did a poor job of it the first time.
6. The only "inalienable rights" which the Constitution guarantees you are the right to "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness." These are rights which the founding fathers felt every human being is entitled to. The rest of the rights you inherit as an American are not inalienable, but are part of the blessing of living in the country we do. That said, it doesn't give any weight to your argument about the Bush administration trying to take away your right to your own body.
7. If you can find for me in the Constitution where you, as an American, are guaranteed an education, I will stand corrected and pat you on the back. And no, you weren't just implying that you need an education before lecturing others. Go back and read your own post, you accused the Bush White House of trying to take away your right to an education (which, shockingly enough, is asinine).
8. I wasn't responding to your comment about liberals not being able to think for themselves. I'm not a liberal, I'm a conservative, and if you can't tell that from my posts, you need to speak less and listen more.
9. Strangely enough, YOU are presenting the liberal side of this argument. And I agree, most liberals can't think for themselves, the reason being that they are the product of a public education system which, year after year, graduates mediocre students.
10. If your goal is to convince people that you are right, try using valid explanations instead of emotions and profanity. And, by the way, I didn't have to research anything to respond to your claims. The holes in your argument are big enough to walk through, and require very little effort to refute.
I predict that your response to these claims will sound something like, "Dude, are you f***ing stoned?!?!" or perhaps something as articulate as "Whatever, man, you're just a right-wing a**hole." It's what we've come to expect from you.
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on July 11, 2004 5:55 PM
thank you for finally taking on this bloated dilluted jack ass-hack michael moore. This guy has a brain only a dog could understand [or a leftist]. keep fighting I will for you.
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on July 11, 2004 10:45 PM
He didn't write the post you were responding to. I have no idea what he is talking about because nobody (including me) logs in, so we have no idea who is responding to whom except by where the posts are located and (to a certain extent) what their contents are.
So to respond.
"Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness" is such a vague notion that I doubt we should start trying to use it to argue. But if you insist. Two-thirds of that list might include education if you are a person who wants an education to further your happiness, which most people do. It is also arguable that life is better with an education. That said, you never refuted the idea that the Bush administration is laying waste to our education system, so I'll concede. The Constitution does not specifically say "education." I just take education as one of the things that is implied.
Arguing about abortion is like arguing about which color is nicer, blue or green. But the Supreme Court has long upheld the right "to choose," and our system of law works in that specific way. Based on the way it is spelled out in The Constitution.
I am representing the side of reasonable ideas, once you give them some thought.
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on July 11, 2004 10:50 PM
The best part is that my "Complaining is the American way" comment was sarcasm, genius. Now, take a deep breath and read it again, this time in a snotty voice.
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Posted by Parsley (No Email) on July 12, 2004 12:30 AM
Thanks for clearing up the issue of who is writing what. I figured that either there was a flaw in the log-in process, or I was dealing with a schizophrenic.
I would disagree that a right to an education is included in "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness" based on qualifying word, "pursuit." I completely agree that life is better with an education, but I don't believe that we are owed an education by the government. The above phrase simply means that we are guaranteed the right to pursue happiness, but not handed happiness on a silver platter, nor are we guaranteed to be supplied with all the tools we need to attain it. I believe that the phrase simply means that the government/citizens of this country cannot prevent or otherwise attempt to sabotage our life, liberty, or pursuit of happiness. So, as you said, education is not specifically mentioned in the Constitution, but we simply disagree on whether or not it is implied.
Being, as I am, a conservative, I do not share the opinion that Bush is damaging our education system. I believe, and I think statistics would be helpful here, that the public education system has been foundering since long before Bush's administration took office. I agree with Bush's position that throwing more money at an already inefficient education system is not the answer to the problem; ergo, I did not address Bush's "laying waste" to the system. I just don't feel that he is, that's all.
I agree that the debate over abortion is, on a certain level, as "piddly" as debating color choices. I think that the root of the argument is over when the fetus becomes a human being. As you said, the courts have for decades sided with those who believe that the fetus is not a human life until birth, and is therefore not entitled to a right to "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness." I think you will agree that this is the watershed issue concerning abortion.
Perhaps we should all make sure to sign in, just so we know who we're talking to. But, I appreciate whoever it is who responded to my last post. It was refreshing to read some solid logic and dialogue void of expletives and personal attacks. Log in next time so I know who I'm talking to :)
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on July 12, 2004 7:02 AM
Dear Schizophrenic person(s) who has written about three pages of thread in one day pretending to be someone else and was the original founder of the “regime” notion:
You are a TOTAL AND COMPLETE WASTE of not only my time but of the all of the other people who make at least coherent points. It is almost inconceivable to me that someone as misinformed as you has the guts to keep responding! Furthermore, I think you have a serious problem of sending messages to yourself as different people? Who’s who is: they are all you! And nothing was cleared up by any of the threads! You know very well who I am and most of the threads I have posted! (hint: I was born in the U.S.!)
As for your political status, I highly doubt that your fanatical anti-Bush and anti-American system remarks would make your anything other that an EXTREMIST LIBERAL! You have said absolutely nothing that would even hint towards being a “right-winger”. So, what the in the world are you talking about? Whatever the case, I am sure that even liberals would be ashamed to call you one of their own. I mean, DAMN, you don’t even know what you YOU ARE! “Know thyself above all”
So, as my final advice to you to stop making a fool of yourself, take some political science classes and for everyone’s sake, make up your mind about what the hell you are! Plus NO ONE ELSE EVER DISCUSSED THE TOPICS OF EDUCATION OR ABORTION EXCEPT FOR YOU! That’s it, just keep arguing with yourself!
I should really start charging for your tutoring and psychoanalyses! STOP FOOLING YOURSELF! And if you are still possessed then, WRITE AS MUCH AS YOU WANT, I assure you no one will care (except perhaps your “other halves”)!
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on July 12, 2004 7:06 AM
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on July 12, 2004 10:58 AM
Yes, the education system is in ruins and I don't blame the current administration. At this point it is probably impossible to point fingers on that issue. Suffice it to say that it is a societal problem and not a conservative vs liberal problem.
And throwing money at an inefficient system is the absolute worst thing citizens can do. We legitimze inefiecency when we vote for the party, not for the issues. Unfortunately, as the well-spoken person below (sarcasm intended) points out, many US citizens feel that there has to be a divide, whether it is ideological, financial, or whether your favorite animal is an elephant or donkey. Makes no sense, but there it is.
And "no child left behind," whether for good intentions or not, is laying waste to the education system. My penchant for hyperbole doesn't take away from the implications of a system that puts a premium on biased testing and vocational, rather than life skills.
Thanks for engaging in a conversation, rather than a screaming match. Although, the screaming matches are good for page hits (I am the author of the above article, where all these lively debates are taking place. I don't like to log in because every time I do my spam rate doubles since my email address is displayed after the login.)
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on July 12, 2004 3:18 PM
Yes, that makes perfect sense... In bizarro world!
P.S: 'fucking' has a fucking 'G' on the end you fucking moron.
P.P.S: Your mom's a big fat hoe and I don't care if bringing her into the subject makes you cry.
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on July 12, 2004 3:21 PM
Are you related to George W Bush? It's got a fucking 'G' in it!!!
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on July 12, 2004 3:27 PM
Use your imagination. Go on, give it a try.
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on July 12, 2004 3:29 PM
I don't think you quite understand how the whole 'freedom of speech' thing works.
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Posted by Parsley (No Email) on July 12, 2004 11:46 PM
I can't tell who you're referring to. You mentioned the schizofrenic, so that leads me to believe you are talking about one of the people posting under "A random shemp," but you also mentioned the issues of education and abortion, which I discussed. Please specify.
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Posted by Parsley (No Email) on July 12, 2004 11:48 PM
I can't tell who you're referring to. You mentioned the schizofrenic, so that leads me to believe you are talking about one of the people posting under "A random shemp," but you also mentioned the issues of education and abortion, which I discussed. Please specify.
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Posted by Parsley (No Email) on July 13, 2004 12:05 AM
I agree with your comments about the state of the education system, but I'm not sure I completely understand the logic behind your statement, "We legitimze inefiecency when we vote for the party, not for the issues." For my own sake, I vote for the party based on the party's position on certain issues.
I also agree that the practical applications thus far of the "no child left behind" mentality are lacking, though I think the effort is a step in the right direction. The problem I have with the testing is that, while standards are necessary, improper implementation simply fosters the attitude of "pass the kids or the school loses funding."
Agreed, a rational discussion is preferred over a screaming match. Is there any way you can remove your email address from your login profile? I'd really like to know how many people I'm talking to. Sorry about the double post below.
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on July 13, 2004 7:28 AM
For some reason I suddenly have the image in my head of a flea-ridden redneck sitting at a computer in a string vest scratching his head.
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on July 13, 2004 7:30 AM
I'm a random shemp? WTF!!?
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Posted by Parsley (No Email) on July 13, 2004 2:44 PM
Read the name you're posting under.
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Posted by Charley (charley@dtheatre.com) on July 13, 2004 11:00 PM
I can't change my login email because I'm an admin. Oh well, a few viagra ads never hurt anyone.
What I meant about "voting for the party" is that democrats, republicans, libertarians, socialists, et al. vote for "their guy" based mostly on what the generic representation of what the party's issues are. So, for example, this November a bunch of democrats will vote for Kerry even though his politics are not exactly what they're looking for. It's the better of two evils. Granted, I am guilty of the same thing because there is no elected official that will satisfy everyone to 100%, but it would be nice if Kerry at least had a few of the things that I am looking for. It's the problem of living in a Republic, I suppose.
But, like Moore says (one of the few things I agree with him about [and to tie this conversation back to topic]) I would rather have a president in the office telling me he is going to fuck me over, rather than one who is in the office giving me the thumbs up with one hand while the other hand is feeling up my girlfriend. Hypothetically speaking. So voting is tough for me because there is no really good choice. No plausible one, at least. I think that is many people's problem.
My bone with Michael Wilson is that he is not doing something that I see to be entertaining. While I don't agree with his politics, I am also a writer and a movie fan who wants to watch interesting things. Moore is seriously misguided, but at least he is somewhat interesting.
I have given Wilson the chance to prove my intial asessment wrong and there's a 50/50 chance that he will be sending me an advanced copy of the movie for a review. I promised him an unbiased viewing, something I intend to follow through with considering some of the things I wrote about him and how well he took it. (He was a very nice guy in our brief correspondance. I can't imagine Moore being so friendly to a journalist who just compared him to a Backstreet Boy, or Meatloaf, or whatever the analogy would be.)
And you're absolutely right: beside flawed testing, the most glaring problem with "no child left behind" is the funding based on testing. That was what I was alluding to in the last post, although sometimes I come across as incomprehensible. That's why I have an editor. That and to add curse words to my article if I've forgotten to. You have to love dTheatre. The ad I responded to for the job said "Swearing is encouraged." When I offer clips from the site to other venues, I have to be careful what I select.
Boy I'm rambling. Thanks everyone for your interest in this article and your lively debates here at dTheatre. If you have any questions or comments, feel free to send me an email. I try to respond to every single one.
charley
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on July 14, 2004 7:54 AM
Parsley? WTF!!?
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Posted by Parsley (No Email) on July 14, 2004 4:59 PM
Forget it. Stick to less complicated issues.
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Posted by Parsley (No Email) on July 15, 2004 1:59 AM
By the way, if the "theory" that America was founded as a republic is only a notion among conservatives, "hence the name 'republican'," then the theory that American was founded as a democracy is only a notion among liberals, hence the name "democrat."
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on July 15, 2004 7:17 AM
Complicated? Me? That's unpossible!
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on July 16, 2004 1:37 AM
I can still remember the scene of the people falling to their deaths from the trade center towers,people asking the president to not let them down,to basicly get revenge,well he's done that in spades...the taliban are now living with Osama in a damned cave for the rest of their lives (no more beating up women for you guys)and Saddam is about to be handed his own head instead of running the rape rooms,the mass executions and plundering of Iraq,and all you useless liberals can do is beat up on your fellow countrymen who (unlike you have balls)will be the ones you turn to when these terrorist assholes try to kill your children...instead of listening to Moore who said recently himself overseas that over 90% of americans are stupid why not believe your president who WILL kick the asses of anyone who tries to bring death to american soil the way those useless bastards did in 2001...but I suppose you all would rather believe Moore's film in which Iraqi children played in the streets flying kites till the rabid killing machines called the USA armed forces showed up and started shooting everyone at random....I firmly believe that if liberals take over the presidency shortly there after their liberalism will help the terrorists to fill so many bodybags with dead americans it will take a supercomputer to count the dead.
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on July 16, 2004 9:22 AM
9/11 was caused by members of Al-Qaeda who Osama Bin Laden is the head of. Al-Qaeda are still very much at large and are commiting acts of Terrorism on almost a daily basis. How can you say that George Bush has responed well after 9/11?
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Posted by Parsley (No Email) on July 16, 2004 5:47 PM
I suppose you would rather have the Clinton administration back, who's response to 9/11 would have been restricted to a few strategic airstrikes. Bush's response was to commit troops on the ground to seek out and destroy those terrorist forces that could not be eliminated using pinpoint airstrikes in a select few locations. Bush understood that the only way to deal with fanactic Islamic terrorists is to kill them, not scare them away with a show of force. The person who started this thread is exactly right, the horde of American liberals has once again been swayed in their fickleness. In the days and weeks following 9/11, there was an enormous outcry for the destruction of those responsible for the attacks in New York and Washington, D.C. However, as soon as the first American troops began to die overseas, the liberals lost the stomach to endure the fight and again cried out, this time for Bush's resignation for mishandling the war. WAR is not a few smartbombs dropped through the rooftops of suspected terrorist hideouts, WAR is a knock-down, drag-out fight where people die on both sides. I'm just glad I'm on the side that is dealing the heaviest blows, not recieving them. Do you really think that Al-Quaeda would be inoperative by now if a liberal were in the White House?
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on July 17, 2004 5:05 AM
Well it's all hypothetical how Clinton would have reacted to 9/11 but I'm just saying that for all of Bush's promises and troops delivered, Bin Laden is still very much at large and Al-Quaeda are still commiting acts of terrorism. Plus,I think alot of people seem to confuse what's happening in Iraq with the war on terror, as if capturing Saddam is somehow payback for 9/11.
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on July 17, 2004 5:03 PM
Hi guys,my name is Brian and I started the thread "liberals hero" I suppose if you want to debate Bush's performance on the war on terror I submit that nobody has been blown up in a city transit bus or fell to their deaths from a burning building attacked by terrorists since he decided to take the fight to them instead of waiting for the secretary of the United nations to spare the time from counting the profits he made from Iraqi oil for food program to do something about it.
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Posted by Parsley (No Email) on July 17, 2004 11:17 PM
Amen, Brian. I'd also like to add that yes, Al-Quaeda may still be active, but they are a worldwide organization. Nobody, not even the military giant that is America can completely erradicate the globe of such a threat, let alone in 3 years. Bush's declared aim was not to wipe out organized terrorism, but was to, as Brian said, "take the fight to them" in order to make our nation more secure. The war we are fighting is not against Al-Quaeda alone, it is against terror. Removing Saddam from power was part of that effort, not a direct act of revenge for 9/11.
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on July 18, 2004 9:26 AM
You mean nobody in America.
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on July 20, 2004 6:05 AM
So Michael Moore hates america? So fucking what - who doesnt hate you scum fucking turds? America? a bunch of cross breed mullatos with no racial, social, moral or ethcial consciousness who try to impose their plastic reality all over the rest of us. I'm all for middle of the road 'compassionate conservatism', hard work and defence of the things that matter in life like freedom, but I swear to god, if america ever invaded my country I'd be laughing my ass off at all the bodybags of your sick little twenty something torturing scumbuckets (read average american kid). Fuck america lets hope we get a september the 12th whereby the muslim nuts hit a nuclear power plant and really screw you up!!!!!!
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on July 20, 2004 6:08 AM
Yep, I'd agree with the above - lets take the war on terror to the terrorists! so when are we going to see GWB, Cheney and Rumsfield killing themselves?????
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on July 20, 2004 6:34 AM
Religion is the true evil of the world.
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on July 20, 2004 9:03 PM
To the void of intelligence asshole who said he'd like to have america invade his country so he could fill bodybags with dead americans,please tell us your country of origon...perhaps we can arrange a meeting :-)
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on July 20, 2004 9:07 PM
I wish I could take hold of the two liberal terrorist loving assholes(especially the guy who said he'd fill bodybags with americans)and beat the fucking crap out of you for a couple of days just before I put a good ole american .357 magnum to your fucking empty heads.....fill bodybags with dead americans lol....how...you gonna wait for them to die of old age heh heh :-)
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on July 21, 2004 7:54 AM
Fuck Michael Moore that fat fucker!
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Posted by Central Scrutinizer (A. Doode) on July 21, 2004 9:26 AM
Some Mindless Dipshit wrote: "it is the soldier that gets to die so cheney can spend his $250,000 tax break investing in postwar iraq and a new pacemaker."
Yo, numbnuts, the top 5% in gross personal income in America (definately not me!) pay 45% of all personal income taxes, so I guess that's not enough? Let's tax your ass 45% and see how you like it, or maybe just vote for Kerry to find out.
We finally get a prez with some balls, and the lefty whining starts.
Why do you think Germany and France were so opposed to us going into Iraq?
Could it have something to do with the billions of dollars in pending contracts with Saddam they lost out on?
Naaaah! They were just being watchdogs for the world and feeders of Moore(har-har).
Then they have the nerve to call us capitalist pigs..... Go figure!
Do you really think we'd be better off going back to the Klintonesque pacifist days, because after all, if we leave the terrorists alone, they might not attack us....... Right?
You beleive that shit, don't you?
The families of 3000 other people that died a few years ago in America don't.
Under Saddam, over the last 30 years, an average of 17,000 Iraqis died on his orders per year.
How many died last year in conflict?
Just over 1000.
Saying that there were no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, is saying that Saddam Hussein wasn't there.
You can call Bush "stupid" all you want, but when did you graduate from Harvard, Mr. Einstein?
Oh, but wait, that's just right-wing propaganda, right?
It's time to get a grip and stop the flow of bullshit that the spoiled, rich fuckwits like Moore try to shove down your throat, just because you'll stand there with your mouth open, scatching your head.
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on July 21, 2004 10:34 AM
My Fucking country is FRANCE dumbass, what are you going to do about it?
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on July 21, 2004 10:36 AM
So I take it you enjoyed the movie?
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Posted by Parsley (No Email) on July 21, 2004 1:15 PM
Hilarious, absolutely hilarious. I was reading Frenchie's post about filling bodybags with the young American soldiers, thinking, "This guy has GOT to be French..." How ironic that we are provoked by a citizen of a country which America has had to clean up after three times (World War I, World War II, Vietnam)... or should I count Iraq and say four times??
By the way, how's the "French Army" these days?
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on July 21, 2004 5:22 PM
I wish I were next to your green frog self you fucking french coward....wtf has your army ever done but lose every fucking war you were ever in...WAR!!!....lol you fucking losers couldn't even defend your own country AMERICA HAD TO DO IT FOR YOU so perhaps that fucking lumbering twat you call a president will flap his fucking gums one too many times just like your doing and that shadow that suddenly appears over your kermit the frog head will be a laser guided bomb....the first of fucking many...you ungrateful fuck...we should have let Hitler slaughter your whining stupid gay ass!
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on July 21, 2004 7:45 PM
Dear dumb ass:
It amazes and sadens me that your narrow minded ,liberal ,please tell me what to do ,every one smoke pot ,hippie tree hugging ,probably broke let the goverment pay for me, piece of SH*& ASS, can't see the truth that is layed out in front of you. You see one movie. hear one reporter, and its damn Bush, Damn Cheney, and Damn Rumsfield. What happend to You All who started moveon.org now every little flub is a cursable incident. I can't even conseive what its like to live in your shealterd life. how you who complain about how there is no weapons of mass destruction, how you can't see the joy of seeing the new found freedom in the thousands of iraq's eyes. that is more than repayment. I wonder what you pinheads would have done in WWII Hitler would rule the world today. And each and every one of you would say"he's not that bad. Its only europen Jews, It dosn't affect me." I just can't beleave it, not that Moore could produce that film, One of americas freedom querks.,but that it would be accepted by so many. Maybe you should read his book where he says you are what you'll always be so deal with it and DIE...
Happaly Conserative
David Witschi
David for Prez. 2012
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Posted by Parsley (No Email) on July 22, 2004 12:53 AM
Just as soon as you show them how its done.
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on July 22, 2004 3:00 AM
I love how you semi-literate right wingers always bring up WWII. Do you realize that the only reason we got involved was because the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor? So, if it weren't for that, the US would never have been involved in WWII. It wasn't heroic, it was retaliation. Just like the Iraq war. Just like any show of force that the US gives. Not that there is anything wrong with that, but don't act like we were the big heroes in WWII. The Germans did almost three years worth of damage before the US decided to step in (and even then it was only for pesonaly gain).
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on July 22, 2004 12:38 PM
congratulations! you are definitely the dumbest dipshit I have ever came across.
who the fuck do you think you are being such an incredible HYPOCRITE. Sure, you, being a demogogue liberal says the US should have never gone into Iraq because it had no right and at the same time your saying the US should have acted sooner in WWII. THE FACT IS, regardless of what you think,: THE US WENT IN BOTH TIMES AND BOTH TIMES IT SOLVED THE PROBLEM. your ungrateful, unamerican ass deserves to be in France or, should I say Facist Germany (if it wasnt for the US- i.e. Normandy, D-DAY, etc) sucking in the human ashes in the creatoriums of all other than the ubermensch. It's easy to criticize in retrospect and especially if you werent even there (i know i wasnt), you fuckin bastard!
and i am very sorry that your peabrain cant send the signal to your mouth to shut up when you know absolute shit!
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on July 22, 2004 12:42 PM
nice job man! you totally ripped numnuts apart, look he can't even respond cuz he's probably sitting in front of his computer with his mouth open and scratching his small head!
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on July 22, 2004 8:45 PM
lol to above....heh heh
Liberals...the kind of people who would trade a car in for an exhaust system :-)
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on July 22, 2004 10:41 PM
Do you know your history? How long were the Germans rampaging through Europe before the US stepped in? Of course the US saved the day, that's the part all of you selective-memory fucks remember. But try to use your brain and ask yourself why the US FINALLY decided to attack during D-Day. You're pathetic, by the way.
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on July 23, 2004 7:11 AM
Given the fact so many brave americans gave their lives on D-Day I think we can have a little bit of selective memory...we are fucking entitled...and to the ass above who says thats pathetic I guess your either from france or just another Moore conspiricy nut...and that ultimately is the most pathetic road a person can find themselves traveling on
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on July 23, 2004 3:37 PM
God bless America, and death to her enimies.
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on July 23, 2004 3:44 PM
Like all empire, they eventually crumble. All this bollocks about American greatnes will bite you in the arse eventually.
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on July 23, 2004 7:00 PM
THIS DOCUMENTARY SEEMS LIKE THE BIGGEST PIECE OF FECAL VIDEO OF THE SUMMER. I BET I WILL MAKE GIGLI SHINE. GOD BLESS THE USA AND POOP ON MIKE MOORE
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on July 24, 2004 7:15 AM
Remember guys, anytime someone bad mouths the USA it's just because they're jealous.
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on July 24, 2004 11:47 AM
exactly...at least we are not like france attacking jews in the street and beating them up....guess some of Hitler rubbed off on them
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on July 24, 2004 4:17 PM
The fact of the matter is that people *cough* France *hack* badmouth the U.S. and say they can't wait until America crumbles, but they fail to realize that if you removed the United States from the economical picture, nearly every country in the world would suffer greatly. This is not to say that the U.S. is invincible, far from it. The recent news about the Russian National Bank going bankrupt does not bode well for the U.S., but if Russia, or any other country for that matter, simply imploded, the U.S. would be the least affected of all the countries in the world.
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on July 25, 2004 8:56 AM
French people smell of garlic anyway, they're always riding round on bikes with garlic round their necks and French sticks in the front basket. Plus, they always wear those stupid beries or whatever, man they look so dumb.
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on July 26, 2004 11:58 AM
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on July 26, 2004 12:45 PM
You cannot spell--
It "saddens" me that you are so "narrow-minded". You are as sum as "Rumsfeld". I cannot "conceive" of what you might mean by "sheltered" And leave out anyone who is "European" I do "believe" dyslexia to be one of your "quirks".
Toodles.
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Posted by Charley (charley@dtheatre.com) on July 27, 2004 7:25 PM
The Nazis did slaughter the French. They occupied almost all of Europe--by force. The US did NOT stop the Nazi invasion of Europe. We went in after a few years and liberated Europe. Many people had to die and the US homeland had to be in danger before we went marching across Europe. Not that there's anything wrong with that, but our involvement in WWII was more of a pre-emptive attack to protect us than a mission to liberate the occupied countries. To consider our motives heroic, wouldn't they also need to be selfless? Soldiers do dangerous things--feats of heroism, for sure. But the people ordering them into battle sit safely behind their desks, moving brigades around a giant map and protecting their own assets. That's not heroism.
If you want to use "we saved your ass" as an argument for why America is great, that's terrific. But it isn't exactly true. At least not the way you've simplified it.
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on July 28, 2004 1:06 AM
I believe the garlic is to ward off evil spirits (or werewolves, or vampires, or whatever). And I don't think those are loaves of French bread in the baskets on the bikes... I'm pretty sure that's just the way French bikes are made... its just part of the bike.
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on July 28, 2004 4:50 PM
And what's with their crazy language? Man, that shit is wack.
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on July 28, 2004 11:57 PM
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on July 29, 2004 6:53 AM
Jurt aloor! a em e furayooos Frenchmen and a em sooo mead ate all ave you peeg-dog Americans! You kin al goo tu heel, beesterds!
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on July 30, 2004 10:58 PM
Here’s the latest group of people who are upset at the way Michael Moore whores out the dead when it suits his purposes.
The family of U.S. Air Force Maj. Gregory Stone was shocked to learn that video footage of the major’s Arlington National Cemetery burial was included by Michael Moore in his movie “Fahrenheit 9/11.”
Maj. Stone was killed in March 2003 by a grenade that officials said was thrown into his tent by Sgt. Hasan K. Akbar, who is on trial for murder.
“It’s been a big shock, and we are not very happy about it, to say the least,” Kandi Gallagher, Maj. Stone’s aunt and family spokeswoman, tells Washington Times reporter Audrey Hudson.
“We are furious that Greg was in that casket and cannot defend himself, and my sister, Greg’s mother, is just beside herself,” Miss Gallagher said. “She is furious. She called him a ‘maggot that eats off the dead.’ “
The movie, described by critics as political propaganda during an election year, shows video footage of the funeral and Maj. Stone’s fiancee, Tammie Eslinger, kissing her hand and placing it on his coffin.
The family does not know how Mr. Moore obtained the video, and Miss Gallagher said they did not give permission and are considering legal recourse.
She described her nephew as a “totally conservative Republican” and said he would have found the film to be “putrid.”
“I’m sure he would have some choice words for Michael Moore,” she said. “Michael Moore would have a hard time asking our family for a glass of water if he were thirsty."
Michael Moore cares about the troops when they badmouth their country and the mission. The rest of the time they are nothing but a prop to be used and prostituted for his own aggrandizement, just like the 9/11 and Columbine victims.
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on July 31, 2004 10:32 AM
Would you ban his movie if you could?
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on July 31, 2004 1:10 PM
The majority of pacifists who object to taking life and prefer not to follow their thoughts beyond that point are a minority of intellectual pacifists, whose real though unacknowledged motive appears to be hatred of western democracy and admiration for totalitarianism. Pacifist propaganda usually boils down to saying that one side is as bad as the other, but if one looks closely at the writing of the younger intellectual pacifists, one finds that they do not by any means express impartial disapproval but are directed almost entirely against Britain and the United States …
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on July 31, 2004 4:05 PM
Most people say, either love the United States or get the Hell out. Well, I love my country but I don't agree with this war and the reasons we went into it. Michael Moore doesn't agree either and with his film he is showing us why he doesn't agree, nothing more nothing less.
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on July 31, 2004 8:09 PM
thats all fine and dandy....he didn't need to pack it full of lies though
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on August 1, 2004 3:29 PM
What lies? No one in this entire topic has actual stated what he has lied about.
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on August 1, 2004 3:33 PM
Excuse me, I don't want to be a pain or anything but didn't Britain also have a role in liberating Europe from Nazi opression? I don't want to nit-pick or anything but still...
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on August 1, 2004 3:36 PM
The Allied forces were made up of more than just American soliders by the way.
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Posted by Draygin (Draygin) on August 8, 2004 2:38 PM
This "KID" does the same thing fat ass Moore has done and does. Typical of liberal America. The truth takes a backseat to the liberal point of veiw. The liberals seem to be upset that America may actually get to see the truth from, THIS KID. You can shut up and so can Mr. Moore.
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Posted by Draygin (Draygin) on August 8, 2004 2:50 PM
Moore blames the Bush Admin for 911 when Clinton admin. time and time again aloud Bin Laden to walk. He doesn't talk about how John Kerry and the liberal assholes dropped our defenses for political gain and opened the door for terrorist atacks. They were the ones who made us apear weak and gave an open invitation to terrorists.
Therin you have your lies. Misdirected soundbites and supressed evidence. Cornerstone of all liberals.
Liberal= one who takes great liberties with the facts
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on August 9, 2004 5:48 AM
Yea, but you still have the fact that lots of evidence pointing to the attack was ignored by them prior to 9/11.
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Posted by Central Scrutinizer (A. Doode) on August 12, 2004 7:59 PM
"Would you ban his movie if you could?"
No, after all, this is America, and we all have the right to free speech.
What rasps my scrotal area is when his little tour de farce is classified as a documentary. Just that word alone gives creedence to whatever compilation of bullshit he throws together. As far as I'm concerned, if he doesn't like the country that made it possible for him to be rich, fat & famous; get the fuck out, take Alan Baldwin with you, and don't let the doorknob hit him where the good lord split him (cuz it may never be found again).
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on August 14, 2004 11:34 AM
Michael Moore has never claimed that his film is a documentary, He's always refered to it as "his movie"
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Posted by Draygin (Draygin) on August 19, 2004 8:28 AM
Does Michael Moore put humor in his movies, or are his movies just a joke. Your hero Moore is a hack.
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Posted by Draygin (Draygin) on August 19, 2004 8:39 AM
"Liberals are very happy and completely out of touch with reality."
Actually I believe the mayo clinic is developeing a cure for this dissorder. I believe it is some form of mass psychosis.
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Posted by Draygin (Draygin) on August 19, 2004 8:49 AM
If Clinton had taken out Bin Laden in the first place after SEVERAL oportunities, 911 would never have happend. If Clinton had responded to the first attempt on the trade center we would not be at war now. We know what Clinton would have done. He did NOTHING. That is the real reason we had 911 and you and Michael Moore can do all the rewriting of history you want, but it still doesn't change the fact that our saftey as a nation can not be left to Democrats. Democrats deal only with social issues which, acording to the constitution should be seperate. Seperation of church and state. They can not tell us what to believe, therefore they are usless in office.
Maybe you should all just join a scientology church and and cut to the chase and leave the real work to the Republicans.
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Posted by Draygin (Draygin) on August 19, 2004 8:58 AM
"""You mean nobody in America."""
We know you liberals would all love to be martyred, but I'm glad no more Americans are dying. Shut the fuck up you pussy ass hippie geek. Don't pick a fight if you can't handle one. Are we supposed to feel responsible for their attacking us? They atacked us because the think our country is all Christian. I guess you consider it valid all Christians must die, or are you just so stupid you think they will all just go away?
Either way, the rest of us will contiue to try to keep our families alive if that's all right with you.
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Posted by Draygin (Draygin) on August 19, 2004 9:08 AM
Like all empire, they eventually crumble. All this bollocks about American greatnes will bite you in the arse eventually.
We are a republic, not an empire you dumb fuck. And we aren't going anywhere till the sun burns out and you can kiss my American ass if you think otherwise. A couple of guys on a flight took down their soldiers. Let those fuckers step foot on our soil and see how quick they go running the coward fucks. We aren't going anywhere because despite Moore and his bullshit, this is our country and there are more than enough of us with backbones left to beat the shit out of any stupid fuck who thinks he can come fuck around with our house.
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Posted by Draygin (Draygin) on August 19, 2004 9:13 AM
More twisted half truths. No nothing was ignored. There were no flight plans, date of atack nothing. If you know of a clairevoyant in the CIA. Had Kerry not cut our spending maybe they could have aforded one though. No, you don't get to blame our President. Even the democrats said it was unavoidable.
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Posted by Draygin (Draygin) on August 19, 2004 6:44 PM
Shut up. You couldn't sound any more pathetic. Liberal always go to name calling when they loose on the fact count.
Fact, thousands were killed 911.
Fact, without Bin Laden, no 911.
Fact, Clinton Could have stopped Bin Laden over and over.
Fact acording to Clinton staff, capturing Bin Laden may have cost Clinton the election so he avoided it like the plague.
Ergo, Clinton aloud thousands of Americans to die so he could keep his job.
Why has Moore declined to make that film?
Fact, Liberals hate facts.
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Posted by Draygin (Draygin) on August 19, 2004 6:50 PM
Because the rest of us don't have our heads up the party ass. Gee, who do I want to protect our country?
Kerry? Yeah, he already said we will retaliate if there is another atack. That means he will accept further American civilian casualties.
NO WAY!!!!!
You put your family out there.
George Bush who is going after them and no longer taking the crap you liberals are so will to wallow in?
He's got my vote. You liberals are so easily spun. I never hear you guys say much when I challeng you face to face.
Then again another name for liberal is coward.
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Posted by Draygin (Draygin) on August 19, 2004 6:56 PM
"""""""I would like to know where this guy's from above me.
If America's dumb, why is it responsible for 60% of the worlds economy, the first country to ever land on the moon, and last but not least, smart enough to create this great nation with our blood and sweat.
Yeah. Were real idiots!!""""""""""
Hey, if all people from outside the US only see idiots like this we do look stupid.
To reply the original post though, if you think that is the truth I need to break something to you...
Superman is not real, there is no force and Michael can't walk on water. I did hear McDonalds did stop changing their signs because of him though. Too hard to keep up.
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Posted by Draygin (Draygin) on August 19, 2004 6:58 PM
But he is.
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Posted by Draygin (Draygin) on August 19, 2004 7:06 PM
The democrats banned books. They tell us we can't cary guns, when in the states where it's legal crim is lower. They tell us it's ok to kill a baby half born and now trying to say even after birth it can be killed, post birth abortion. The democrats were also the plantation owners and slave traders. You tell me who's out to stop our liberties.
The Democrats have made it illegal to say certain things in public.
You are a joke my friend.
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Posted by Draygin (Draygin) on August 19, 2004 7:14 PM
This jackass wrote
>>>> Liberalism as a term is used to refer to the free-thinking mind coming up with new ideals while conservatism is traditional in nature. Look up the definitions.
Liberal in polotics refers to LIBERAL SPENDING you dolt. It has nothing to do with your thought process as you obviously have none.
Conservative means conservative spending. You prove his point.
Leave it to a liberal to mess up a simple deffinition. Political science major he is not. My personal views are very liberal, but I don't wan't my tax money paying for a guy to urinate in a glass and put a cricifix in it. I don't want your heros taxing my ass so bad I can't ever take my family to the movies. Liberal polotics are only for the rich.
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Posted by Draygin (Draygin) on August 19, 2004 7:20 PM
I have been to europe and no it is not as nice as the states, though much more pretentious. You like it so much, stay. Cultured my ass. PRETENTIOUS and nothing more.
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Posted by Draygin (Draygin) on August 19, 2004 7:28 PM
Libritarians are true thinkers. That is something the left hates. I wish the libritarians would get a strong candidate, but the left will never alow that. Libritarians are firmly ancored in the bill of rights and the constitution and the liberals continually want to rewrite it. Libritarians by name are the true freedom group. But the libals don't want us to be free to be conservative with our government spending or to bare arms, a right that won us this great country of our. 1776 and no it's not outdated.
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Posted by Draygin (Draygin) on August 19, 2004 7:34 PM
Yeah, but they've turned tail and run ever since.
Lafayette the last french man with a backbone.
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Posted by Draygin (Draygin) on August 19, 2004 7:36 PM
How much do you pay in taxes and did you vote for the Qween?
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Posted by Draygin (Draygin) on August 19, 2004 7:44 PM
This is easily the most ignorant and uneducated statment ever writen, not to mention you must be religious to believe in evil, therfore you must consider yourself evil. Obvoius psycho.
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Posted by Draygin (Draygin) on August 19, 2004 7:47 PM
Liberals always have a disclaimer. Then again, I guess that's just Moore's way of saying it's a fantasy piece.
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on August 21, 2004 2:46 AM
Give the guy a break, he's just angry that we've got a retarded monkey in the Whitehouse.
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Posted by Draygin (Draygin) on August 21, 2004 8:11 AM
Clinton is gone.
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on August 22, 2004 6:37 AM
"Let me put it to you bluntly. In a changing world, we want more people to have control over your own life." —George W. Bush, Annandale, Va, Aug. 9, 2004
"As you know, we don't have relationships with Iran. I mean, that's — ever since the late '70s, we have no contacts with them, and we've totally sanctioned them. In other words, there's no sanctions — you can't — we're out of sanctions." —George W. Bush, Annandale, Va, Aug. 9, 2004
"Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we." —George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., Aug. 5, 2004
"Give me a chance to be your president and America will be safer and stronger and better." —Still-President George W. Bush, Marquette, Michigan, July 13, 2004
"I mean, if you've ever been a governor of a state, you understand the vast potential of broadband technology, you understand how hard it is to make sure that physics, for example, is taught in every classroom in the state. It's difficult to do. It's, like, cost-prohibitive." —George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., June 24, 2004
"And I am an optimistic person. I guess if you want to try to find something to be pessimistic about, you can find it, no matter how hard you look, you know?" —George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., June 15, 2004
"I want to thank my friend, Senator Bill Frist, for joining us today. You're doing a heck of a job. You cut your teeth here, right? That's where you started practicing? That's good. He married a Texas girl, I want you to know. Karyn is with us. A West Texas girl, just like me." —George W. Bush, Nashville, Tenn., May 27, 2004
"I'm honored to shake the hand of a brave Iraqi citizen who had his hand cut off by Saddam Hussein." —George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., May 25, 2004
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on August 23, 2004 4:41 AM
thats what im tlaking about!
fucking that fat peice of shit
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on August 23, 2004 2:48 PM
Come to my front door asshole. What piss ant country are you from anyway. Yes we do cross breed. I guess you come from an inbread country. You're a fool and a coward and more than likeley, from the way you talk, so is the rest of your counrty.
If your country is well represented by you I'd bet it would be a shorter conflict than Grenaeda. I'd laugh my ass off watching you offering to suck the dicks of the American soldiers and giving up your country men.
Bitch.
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on August 23, 2004 2:53 PM
FRANCE???? France would kick our ass? Pretention is not a real weapon. What would you use, Sevate? Or would you try and kill us slowly with you're overly sauced food or body odor due to your total lack of hygene. I guess there would be little in a mechanized war considering the french couldn't make a motor if their lives depended on it. French. HA!!!
The French battle cry,"Run away, run away!!!"
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on August 24, 2004 8:24 AM
Have you ever seen so many Democrats supporting a Republican for the Presidency? They claim the Dems in general have gone too far to the left. Even the polotitians themselves don't believe all the rhetoric.
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on August 24, 2004 7:05 PM
When do we get to see you off your stupid ass? F911 is no more realistic that Spiderman 2 but at least spidey 2 has a bit more morals.
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on August 26, 2004 1:37 PM
That's not entirely accurate. No, he doesn't agree with the war, but he makes it quite clear in F911 and Bowling for Columbine that he pretty much hates America. I seriously think that if he feels the way he does that he really does need to go live somewhere else instead of making a movie full of exagerations and lies.
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on August 27, 2004 10:32 PM
FUCKIN, FUCKIN, FUCKIN, FUCKIN, FUCKIN, FUCKIN!!!!!! boo hoo hoo :(
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on August 27, 2004 10:35 PM
FUCKIN FUCKIN FUCKIN!!! :(
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on August 30, 2004 4:36 AM
Go back to watching Fox News you stupid inbred hick.
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on August 30, 2004 4:40 AM
Well, guns kill people.
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on August 30, 2004 4:42 AM
You wear a vest and live in a trailer don't you?
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on August 30, 2004 4:46 AM
We voted for the Prime Minister who is the guy who actually runs the country.
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on August 30, 2004 4:48 AM
Stop jerking off and get back in your cage.
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on August 30, 2004 4:55 AM
Please pull your head out of your ass. By nobody in America I meant that we're still seeing plenty of innocent people such as Iraqi women and children being blown up by suicide bombers. I know you probably don't give a shit about anyone outside America but not everyone's like that.
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on August 30, 2004 4:57 AM
Yea yea, and if Hitler had been taken out before WWII then millions of people wouldn't have died, your argument holds no water.
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on August 30, 2004 5:03 AM
What the fuck are you taking about!? You have to be religious to believe in evil!? What are you on? The act of throwing a baby into scolding water to stop it from crying is evil, the acts on 9/11 were evil, Hitler was evil. What the Hell does that have to do with religion?
It is a cold hard fact that more blood has been shed in the name of religion than any other cause in history.
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on August 30, 2004 5:08 AM
This is why people don't like Americans, you're so fucking full of yourselves. Take a break from the ego trip.
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on September 12, 2004 12:58 AM
Shut the fuck UP, DICKHEAD!
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on September 14, 2004 8:31 PM
who ever you are you are an ass fuck
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on September 16, 2004 1:09 AM
fuck michael moore. he's a talkentless fat piece of shit. go fucking eat a sandwich, pig, and stop making money off of people's misfortunes. sell your 2 multi-million dollar houses and donate your money to charity. then shut the fuck up. go to canada if you like sociallism that fucking much, you fucking fat hairy sow. i hope you choke on your own mayonaise coated vomit in your sleep.
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on October 5, 2004 11:10 AM
this movie is great!!!
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on October 10, 2004 11:02 AM
Michael Moore has no style of film-making. he uses the documentary style & crosses it with Leni Reifenstahl propaganda techniques. Don't believe everything you hear & only half of what you see.
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on October 17, 2004 12:13 PM
You are a BoneHead!!! This is more important than you insults...
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on October 18, 2004 1:31 PM
my dog's shit is worthier than this piece of garbage!
ha-ha-ha.....
see what in-breeding can do to you?
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on November 3, 2004 2:22 PM
You give a negative stereotype to Americans buddy. Your ignorance is unbelievably disgusting. It is true that your country is powerful because you have lots of money. If you would just stop making up senseless names that doesn't back up shit (other than how low u are), you would understand that Canadians care just as much about politics in your country as you and your American friends do.
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on January 19, 2005 10:00 AM
You turds from other countries can go fuck each other all you want. No one in the U.S. Gives a fuck what you think. If it was up to me You would all Get NUKED starting with France
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on March 2, 2005 12:45 PM
The funny thing is, without us "dumb Americans" half the world would be speaking German and the other half would be speaking Russian. Judaism, Islam, Buddhism, etc. would all be non-exhistant. And there would be no such thing as an African, Asian, Hispanic, Arab, etc. Maybe you should consider just how badly off the world would be without America's monetary and military support.
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on March 2, 2005 1:06 PM
Something that many of you are neglecting about the U.S. role in WWII: Germany never attacked us, Japan did. The decision to enter the war was based on retaliation, the decision to fight in the European campaign was for the sake of our allies. Which, by the way, you are welcome for.
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on March 7, 2005 9:46 AM
" yes, documentaries are supposed to be one sided. However, claiming that Moore hates America because he won't waste his time with this kid and his camera?"
--- Ever seen Roger and Me? Dumbass.....
where do you think this Mike WIlson got the idea for following MM around? and isf you like MM's ovies so much, try RESEARCHING them, like i did. Yes that DOES entail using the right side of oyur brain, but undoubtedly yours could use the excersize anyway. try thinking for yourselves sometime. trust me, it helps.
what a sad state this country is in
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on March 7, 2005 9:48 AM
well said
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