REVIEW: ALIEN VS PREDATOR

Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on August 12, 2004 4:30 PM

@chain employee,....but could you tell us what you really think,...no, seriously thats the same way i felt when i saw the chronicles of riddick, it was a big letdown, 9 bucks for what?! is there any really tryin to make a decent movie.....?

paul anderson reply

Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on August 13, 2004 1:05 PM

he takes a beloved universe and fucking destroys it. he should read half of what fan-boys discuss as to what would be the perfect avp or resident evil film, and then even if he used even the worst ideas, could create a better movie than those that he has with his own shitty takes on them.
this will probably be the nail in the avp coffin.
but we thought that about the last batman too.
now we will need some indie director to recreate the avp mythos. did i mention anderson gets to fuck milla jovovich too?
life isn't fair.

Surprisingly pleased reply

Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on August 14, 2004 11:07 AM

I haven't seen the movie yet but what I have seen of Trailers and clips I am not too optomistic, for instance the Predators look like WWF guys and their masks look like shit.

Fuck AVP reply

Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on August 14, 2004 1:14 PM

You cant give an alien or predetor movie a pg-13 and expect it to be good. I mean what the fuck, this movie barley had any bloodshed. Its like watching a porn without the actual sex. AVP is not a horror movie its a comedy. And the comedic aspect of the movie was just how bad it was made. I laughed more than I was horrified, and the only time I was horrified in the entire movie was at the end when I relized I had paid $7.50 for the ticket and like $2.50 for the popcorn and the drink I mean I could have just bought a dime bag with that money. Anyways If your going to make a bad AVP movie at least make an R-rating and have alot of gore that so its at least that much more entertaining. I feel really sorry for the hardcore AVP fans who were waiting for this movie for like years only to have there hopes destroyed.

WHY? reply

Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on August 14, 2004 7:21 PM

I do not understand why this film was directed by such a stupid director. This material truly should've had at least someone who is credible. This movie should've been pure gold to make, but no, Anderson has to come along and fuck with it. If this causes the death of these franchises I hope it causes the death of his career.

Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on August 15, 2004 1:39 AM

I was pretty surprised by AvP. It's surprisingly faithful to the comics and movies, with a lot of nods thrown in. I was even surprised that the Predator computer hud on there ship was faithful to the comics. I agree the acting wasn't too impressive, and there are some corny parts, but I'd have to disagree completely on the negativity on the action and the way the creatures looked. The predators were great, geared up with special alien-hunting gear (which means longer and heavier). The aliens were very exciting to watch, and were animated very well. The only thing that could've been better (aside from the dialogue and acting) would've been an R rating, and a longer movie. But the fight scenes between the aliens and preds are so great it didn't matter as much.

RE: Surprisingly pleased reply

Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on August 15, 2004 6:29 AM

I went in not expecting much, usually when my expectations are low I'm pleasently suprised. Not this time, the movie was even more shit than I had feared, it makes Alien Resurrection look like Aliens.

RE: Surprisingly pleased reply

Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on August 15, 2004 8:49 AM

I agree with you with the length of the movie. I felt there should of been more especially the fight scenes between the alien and predator. I think fans are disapointed because there wasn't enough battles and action

RE: Surprisingly pleased reply

Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on August 15, 2004 11:24 AM

And gore, this is probably down to the fact the the asswipes at Fox decided to make it a PG-13.

Agree 100% with original poster... reply

Posted by BlisterExists (No Email) on August 15, 2004 11:25 AM

this movie is crap to the highest degree. My main question is how can you take such deeply rooted, dark franchises and turn them into a kiddie film? Whatever the case may be, this director did exactly that.

Come on, (don't read on if you don't want a spoiler) how can an Alien befriend a human the way the one in the movie did? That crap completely had me pissed halfway through the movie. It completely destroyed the dark, sinister "Predator" we saw in the first movie with Arnold Schwarzenegger. Heck, even the second one had a huge lead on this crap film I had to waste almost 2 hours of my life watching.

On top of everything, way too little direction in the movie and a very goofy plot, in my opinion. Absolutely agree with the original poster on this topic especially: The main actress was definitely not a Ridley character and not one I felt helped the movie progress in any facet. I was looking forward to this movie so much that it made me sick to my stomach that this incompetent director took the reigns and completely destroyed any semblance of the original movies. The sad part is that the movie even alluded to the idea that there would be a sequel. If there is, may I make a request? Keep this idiot of a director FAR away from the studio during direction. Hell, let Quentin Tarantino get in on the action if there is indeed a sequel.

Again, VERY disappointed about this movie. Hardcore fans of the Alien and/or Predator movies will probably not enjoy this movie, bottom line. If you are dying to see it, however, the special effects are at least clean and give a cool effect to an otherwise worthless movie. Just my opinions on the film, hope this helps some of those who are hardcore fans of the original movies like myself.

RE: Agree 100% with original poster... reply

Posted by BlisterExists (No Email) on August 15, 2004 11:31 AM

Oops, just noticed I misspelled Ripley as Ridley. Must have Metroid on the brain. ;-)

SPOILER! Don't read if you haven't seen it! reply

Posted by Scheherazade (scheherazade@screaminabox.com) on August 15, 2004 11:37 AM

I posted something on another board, and then found this page... I just saw AVP and, even though it wasn't at all like our treasured Alien, Aliens, and Predator, it was actually pretty alright!

The predator-human alliance was, of course, extremely hokey, cheesy, idealic, and unbelievable, but you hafta admit... I was hoping they were gonna get it on. Or at least become a platonic couple. Or more. I dunno...

Also, the special effects were good, but, during the (rather scarce!) fight scenes between the aliens and the predators, the image was so shaky that you could barely see anything. And, frankly, if I pay money to see "AVP," it's 'cause I wanna see some aliens fighting some predators.

The rest of the movie was just okay. The special effects were relatively good, and at least the director didn't rely solely on sex appeal to sell the movie. I was disappointed to see the variations from the original (and much beloved) films, but, on the whole, it was pretty good for a more modern go at these treasured classics.

On the whole, I was disappointed with the movie when it came to comparing it to its ancestors... But I hafta admit, that (utterly delicious and sexy) main predator does start a strange beat in my heart...

Understanding the ideas reply

Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on August 15, 2004 4:15 PM

I'm pretty shocked after reading all these reviews. Its like most of the people who are 'fans' don't know what they are talking about. First off, the 'alliance' between the predator and human is totally believable (although the acting wasn't the greatest) and for all those who say they are fans, maybe they should read, I dunno, the FIRST avp novel, in which a single human woman not only gets an alliance with a predator, she joins them. Second, the suites looked big and bulky because they are supposed to be. As one previous post pointed out, they where there to hunt aliens, not humans (softmeat), and so require heavier armor and longer weapons.

I do agree that the movie could have been longer, with more battle scenes, and less of the 'human' side of things, but come on, we all expected that didn't we? Even though the fight scenes where short, I thought they where extremely well done, especially the scene in which the predator hurls the alien down a corridor. As for the shaking of the camera, I almost felt it was necessary, because it gave a feeling like there where two big, heavy creatures fighting. The far away shots where nice and stable, and they gave good views of both creatures.

Heck, even the two predators that bit it early was a believable addition to the storyline, although I kinda wish they hadn't been killed quite so quickly. You gotta remember, these are inexperienced hunters (even if they are best of the best) doing a right of passage ritual. You'd expect them to have a tough time in close-quarters against their most dangerous enemy.

I know people will think i'm nuts saying the movie was good, but I really couldn't care less. I've waited for this movie for over a decade myself, I've read all the books and comics, played the games, and watch (and own) all the movies. I for one was happy with the outcome.

Johnny! reply

Posted by Johnny! (No Email) on August 15, 2004 6:41 PM

Hello... i'm brazilian and i don't speak english very well but i'm trying... I like to talk about the comments about AVP... i'm not watch yet because this release i'm brazil is in September, 3th but i was shocked about the ''really fans'' talking about the errors about the film... i really desapointed about this!I'm expected this film for a long time and i see the trailers! I like very much and i really think that this film must be superb! The real fan doesn't watch the errors ... he's really enjoy the movie because the ALIEN and the PREDATOR is in there... Sorry about the bad english and i hope that you understand me....

Info. All Wrong reply

Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on August 15, 2004 6:42 PM

First off since when does it take about 2 hours for an alien to hatch out of a human host and be full grown? And in aliens 3 the alien didnt attack ripley because the alien was inside her. There was an alien inside the predator and the aliens still attacked him! Also didnt the main predator get the tail through the stomach treatment? Then how did the baby alien come out of him if he already had a huge whole in his torso? I guess the human/predator friendship was acceptable because the predator was desperate but it kinda messed up the whole attitude. I think it wouldve been alright if all the infortion had been in sync but now its all screwed up.

a.v.p reply

Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on August 15, 2004 8:10 PM

dude your a fucking fag!

ha reply

Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on August 15, 2004 11:04 PM

Fuck you, Paul Anderson. I hope you rot in Hell.

sweet line. that was more entertaining then the movie!

RE: a.v.p reply

Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on August 15, 2004 11:07 PM

gag. how can you say that when i saw eric estrada leaving your house?

Who won? (spoiler) reply

Posted by escalus84 (moye_eugene@hotmail.com) on August 16, 2004 12:26 AM

It's true, the aliens were blown to crud, however the predator lost his dignity

RE: Who won? (spoiler) reply

Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on August 16, 2004 6:18 AM

Why do people think that if somethings in a book based on a franchise then it's the unquestionable truth? You're just trying to convince yourself that the movie wasn't crap and you're failing.

RE: Johnny! reply

Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on August 16, 2004 6:20 AM

I've heard that one before.

Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on August 16, 2004 6:22 AM

So what was the final score? Who won?

Not the best, but far from what some say. reply

Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on August 16, 2004 7:39 AM

First of all, I went into the movie after reading all these posts saying that it was gonna suck due to Anderson's direction/writing. So maybe I was expecting horrible and got semi-bad. Anyway, overall, I DID like the movie.

Pro's:

Pred's are slightly bigger than in previous movies (I think).

In filming the aliens, Anderson used some animatronics (as opposed to ALL CG)

The fight scene that I DO remember, was pretty cool.

Cons:

I only remember ONE real fight scene between aliens and preds.

The length of time from face-hugging to full grown drone seemed drastically reduced, which didn't seem true to the previous movies.

The "friendship" toward the end was totally lame and aggravating.

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Overall, and maybe I'm a bad judge, but I give the movie a 7/10, which greatly surpasses alien 3 (to give a comparison), in my opinion.

And the badass captive queen, I thought that was pretty cool.

Not THAT bad reply

Posted by Fasthands (saxmanathot at hotmail) on August 16, 2004 7:41 AM

[contains some spoiler] I agree that Lance H. should have had more screen time and plot significance, and that the lead woman was no Ripley, by any stretch. But I thought it was worth the price of admission to see the alien queen stuck in that gizmo. Imagine the trouble the Predators went through to get her into that position! One quibble with the ending [SPOILER SPOILER] whatever the Predator slammed into the queen, wouldn't it have, oh, disintegrated when exposed to her acid blood? And do we think there's an AVP sequel coming, or what, given what happened to the queen? All in all, not a great movie, but still fun to watch.

AVP reply

Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on August 16, 2004 9:55 AM

i was hoping SPACE MARINES would have been in this movie too.

Why can't Paul Anderson keep screwing our movies? reply

Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on August 16, 2004 10:32 AM

Basically, this guy is a fucking smart ass. Just like Resident Evil... If he followed the story of RE2 game, the movie would come out super great. PG13 shouldn't be his idea (dumb ass can't think!) but fuck'n Fox's idea. I really hate the kids at the back to ask "Wow... look! Predator is fighting". Shut up kid! I can see that! When I knew the director was Anderson, the 1st phase that popped up was NO FUCKING WAY. Sorry about my verbal expressions. I'm sorry. But I have to say it again. Fuck Paul Anderson! Fuck PG13! Fuck the Kids at the back of the cinema! Oh... I missed one. Fuck Fox! Burn in hell and don't come back! (An angry human)

RE: Not the best, but far from what some say. reply

Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on August 16, 2004 1:07 PM

I agree and dis agree with the points brought up so far.

I agree about the length of face hugger to full grown.

Also, I thought the character development was awful; I enjoyed Lex but no one else. I mean, that second archaeologist, not only did we not see him die, we didn't even see the face hugger get on him, he was just gone.

Also, I read the AVP books and in one of them a girl befriends a Predator, but it is much more believeable; she kills many aliens and also helos the Predator defeat a queen. In this Lex barely does anything.

This brings up another point, Predators are supposed to be ultimate fighting machines. In "Aliens", the marines kill hundreds of Aliens, but in this movie Predator get into one-on-one fist fights?

Despite all that, I really enjoyed the movie but wish it had been longer and more in depth.

You are all dickheads reply

Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on August 16, 2004 1:14 PM

Well, he's right. You don't even have any reason why it's unbelieable. They didn't become best friends, the Predator had to win and she helped him.

Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on August 16, 2004 2:42 PM

Alien Vs Predator. That's just shocking. Fucking up all the real classics and mixing movies up together just cause of some lame kiddie video games. All the hollywood directors doing this should be shot on site. What will be next. Blade vs Matrix? Young guns vs Terminator? fuckin hell you could even see Snowhite vs Cinderella

Fuckyou reply

Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on August 16, 2004 11:48 PM

the movie was the best it was cool and its fun whating it you're a f''king bastard who the hekll t\do you think you are go to hell man!!!!!!!!!!!111

RE: ha reply

Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on August 16, 2004 11:50 PM

go to hell you and your mney

the movie was disappointing reply

Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on August 17, 2004 3:52 AM

first off i hae been waiting for this movie for a couple of years now and it finally came and got shot to shit by that piss poor director. he ruined residet evil also. basically all he did was mix jurassic park and resident evil and called it avp. he made so many mistakes with the predators. first off predators armor and weapons can withstand alien blood and would't melt after cutting them. then when predaors go on these hunts to become warriors an Elder has to go with them to Blood them, in the movie one of them blooded himself. then the first two predators deaths couldn't happen like they did because an aliens second set of teeath could not punch through the armor.
With the aliens there weren't as many mistakes only one that i can recall wich was that one aliens tail how it was like 20 feet long which was stupid because no alien except the queen has like a 20 ft. tail.

this movie also had connections to resident evil. remember the black guy in resident evil, he was in this movie also. but the main point is remember ow he died in R.E. with the laser in that checkered pattern that cut him into little squares. well the predator net did the same thing to him in avp. oh and that dumb ending with the pred alien chestburster ya it would last all of 3 minutes on the predship so i'd like to see how he ruins avp2 with that abomination lasting a whole hour and a half to 2 hours on that ship

AvP reply

Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on August 17, 2004 4:35 AM

The main thing that annoyed me about the just was just how rushed it felt. At the start there was barely any character development because the director seemed to just want to hurry up and get to the action, meaning that you never actually care for any of the characters and therefore the action becomes meaningless.

I can't believe this reply

Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on August 17, 2004 6:41 AM

Being a big fan and reading most of the books/comics the views here do not inspire me. Looking at the trailers I thougt it was a dream come true , but now I'm not so sure. It won't be released here until october (london) but I am expecting it to be a huge disappointment.

RE: I can't believe this reply

Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on August 17, 2004 7:39 AM

Rent it on DVD if you want but I wouldn't recommend shelling out to see it at the theaters.

Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on August 17, 2004 8:29 AM

all nice and fine. I know that film wasn`t perfect. But if you all are so telented, why aren`t you all lot directing films. First of all you can`t create aliens or predators, two big films in one. Anyone expectung that is wrong. Sorry...yes the film could be better, but still, Paul is just a man, who had ad luck with this film. There is no point of attacking him with words like fuck you and rott in hell.....We go to cinema to have fun. No one died over it and no one will. So chill out guys...

Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on August 17, 2004 11:27 PM

Many points here are valid. The growth of the aliens so quickly, characters, no story, rushed, etc...

Yeah why would inexpeirenced Predators go after Aliens with weapons and armor that would easily melt and get penetrated by the aliens, and also without the shoulder lasers? No sense. Their weapons melt, except for the star thing the predator kills the face hugger with then throws at the queen twice. Plus his blades didnt melt when cutting the alien head off, NOR did the knife melt when cutting the alien apart. GET THE DAMN STORY STRAIGHT!

Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on August 18, 2004 5:15 AM

Not that I'm trying to defend the movie or anything but didn't the humans take their lazer cannons?

Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on August 18, 2004 5:50 AM

Yup. Its just stupid to have them there in the temple in the first place.

ouch reply

Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on August 18, 2004 7:47 AM

just saw AVP... at first i was indifferent. now i've had 12 hours to let it soak in.... now it really burns.

where do i begin?
Let me start with my first love, the aliens.
Luckily they went back to the smooth-domed Giger version,complete with back tubes and long tail.
There were jaw-drooling scenes that were straight out of the first alien movie, part of me thought 'they've done it right!', but mostly i just thought, 'seen it!'.....they showed the intelligence they should've, and the group mentality to rescue the queen (the kind of self-sacrificing that was the only trait i liked from 'resurrection'). the queen was a bit large, but the speed and movements were done very well for cgi/model work. hell, i'm just glad they went back to propwork!
when i think about it, the aliens were the only solid, unaltered things in this film, yet we know nothing new about them- unless you consider that a frozen queen can be revived with a few jolts of electricity.......the biggest gripe is the alien/host germination and growth time, and how it's been sped up for the purposed of this extremely rushed movie.

and then there's the predator.

here's where my geek is gonna show. you see, i have studied the other two predator movies tirelessly,(something this director obviously hasn't) while i was making my (award winning!) predator costume for halloween/dragon-con '95.........yes. i know. o.k, stop laughing.

...when i saw the E! special on the making of AVP, the art directors nervously admitted they had 'taken some liberties' with the predator's face, to make it more of a 'leading man' and less 'insect like'...(what? insect? are we talking about the predator?)....however all of the animatronic heads they showed were dead on and looked awesome.........i guess because they were showing the head from the FIRST movie.
let's just say that when the mask came off in this one, my first thought was- 'so that's what a predator with down syndrome would look like'........my wife, who could give a shit about predators, said out loud during the movie that it looked fucked up.
they've added teeth to the inner mouth, pushed it out more, pulled the outer mandibles back-and the mandible skin, when not stretched,folds like curtains...so if they were afraid that the other predator mouths looked too much like 'a pussy with teeth', then they have accomplished making this one look like 'your grandma's pussy with more teeth'....

most of the other inaccuracies fall with the predator, so let's continue.....

alien blood eats predator's weaponry. well.... sometimes.
if you were too distracted by the choppy direction during the fight scenes, here's the count:

-blood eats through the hand blades, but not the spears or the spinning blade comprised of hand blades, apparently.
-it eats through body armor, but not the net gun (the alien's tail got it free)
-when it's weaker, it can still eat through flesh enough to scar,- so what did the chick Lex wrap her arm in in order to use the alien head as a gauntlet (which, while looking COOL, just didn't make sense.)

other predator stupidity:
the digital heiroglyphics scattered throughout the temple, etc....that would be like if we wrote everything based on our digital watch. the red digital shit is the DIGITAL INTERPRETATION of the predator alphabet/number sysytem, not the way it would be written or carved anywhere.
Heat vision.....that red blurry shit you saw on screen, was supposed to be the predator's high tech way of seeing heat in darkness. Apparently we can make that look cool in 1987, but not in 2004. In 2004, it looks like shit, not to mention, the pred's only see all red when without thier mask (see pred 1's fight w/arnie)..and you would think it would be even easier to see warm people on the surface of fucking ANTARCTICA, but no, the are merely red-orange blobs on a red background.
The temple itself. nice and dark. i think the director thought that if it was dark enough, we wouldn't notice how many facehuhgger/pred mask reliefs were reused in every fucking background.
-we get it, it's an alien-predator temple. can we see some architecture?

SPOILER ALERT- endings-
so when all is said and done, how do we end the film?...we can't think of anything good, so we'll do an 'homage' to predator 2 and the danny glover weapon handoff...and not even a cool weapon handoff that alludes to anything....no wait, we need MORE.. something BIGGER, more HOLLYWOOD! we'll have a chestburster come out of our dead hero predator! ...ooh ooh, and it'll be sort of an alien/predator hybrid too, right fellas?
i can see the writers jerking themselves off in that L.A. office over that one. while i'm torn about the alien taking on characteristics of the host,as first shown in alien3 (i.e, how will we ever know what a 'pure' alien looks like?), this shot was just totally bullshit...like every 80's monster movie where an eggs cracks open or a hand comes out of the ground at the end, it was a slap in the face that makes you embarrassed to be there when the lights come up.
if the preds can see inside pregnant women (pred2) or cancer victims (weyland) couldn't they see inside their own guy? you could say that maybe they knew and wanted to carry on for the next battle, but they would have put him in a better place than the table of the bridge.
Alot of people (online reviews) can't even figure out how he got impregnated, which speaks highly of the shitty editing/directing. it was when he had taken his mask off for his 'marking ceremony', and a second facehugger jumps down before the bad edit. Also another sign that the alien growth cycle can be stretched or shrunk to fit your shitty story. Alot of fans then say, if he had an alien in him, why did aliens and the queen still attack him- if the alien didn't attack ripley in alien3? my guess is that in alien3, it was because it was the only solitary alien, and kept with that whole preservation instinct, or because it sensed she had a 'queen' in her.
long story short, just an xray zoom into the predator, showing the alien would have been enough.
but again, technically, it should have come out upon his death, or, you know, when that queen tail impaled his chest too..... or maybe that was his stomach. dunno. bad filming.

final gripes.
-what did weyland want? a cure for cancer? to live as long as the predators? did he and his corporation have any idea what was down there? surely there's record of the events from pred1 or pred2 out there, i mean, the gov't in pred2 knew about the predators....is it knowledge or technology taken from this discovery that boosts weyland/yutani into being the large space faring corporation of the future? no. everything but a spear has been destroyed. we can only assume that the 'yutani' in weyland-yutani now comes from a shareholder or partner taking over, making it into the eveil megacorp we see later, but we don't know. As far as we know, weyland was a decent guy that wanted to do something before he died. There's no other motive explained.
-preds bleed green and wound and scar greenish too, as seen in pred2...so why does this guy's forehead scar look as red and scabby as my knee when i fall off a bike?
-the queen convieniently drags this dingleberry of a chain (yeah, the preds use chains,it seems)
that ultimately does her in...while she's getting dragged over the cliff, she couldn't break the chain with her tail, or one of those many arms?
- now we have an alien queen in the antarctic sea. we've just been shown they can be re-awoken with electricity if frozen. yet no alien movies have us scouring the seas for aliens, just outer space. so weyland-yutani develops spaceships to look for the elusive alien, meanwhile, there's one on earth....and has been for centuries. also, anyone that has seen dave letterman's 'will it float' could tell you that a water tower, even if frozen solid, will float, not pull the queen down. .....if anything, it should have been the other way around. the tower pulling her in, but then her sinking.
really. i could keep going on and on. suffice to say, that two icons of my youth and teendom have been raped by paul anderson, the genius that brought us 'mortal kombat' to the screen.

AVP-A message to L.A. reply

Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on August 18, 2004 1:57 PM

"Wasn't perfect?"

"The film could be better?"

You are an artist of understatement. And the bad feedback is well deserved. What Anderson (Jesus, even his last name is generic) did to both movie lines is a sin. Enough said.

Posted by Amayos (marc@amayos.com) on August 18, 2004 2:25 PM

Here's a novel idea: Let's stop making movies strictly for the sake of knee-jerk profit and let's get back to the following:

A. A Plot
B. Good acting
C. Mood
D. Intelligent dialogue
E. Good effects
F. Originality

Sounds like a simple enough list, but it's amazing how so many movies don't contain even three of the above qualities.

"Aliens vs Predator" was devoid of ALL of the above. Then again, with a title like that, what did we expect?

I will be avoiding Mr. Anderson's films in the future.

RE: AVP-A message to L.A. reply

Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on August 18, 2004 5:18 PM

I just can't stand the fact that in the hands of another director this could have turned out to be fantastic.

paul "fucking" anderson reply

Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on August 18, 2004 6:02 PM

BRAVO! thank god. finally a real fan of the franchise,i have been reading all these negative post wondering how many of these people even know what the hell there talking about. its funny how they come out of the wood work. and i say this because YES a REAL fan would have read the books and the comics. and the mythos for this movie is based on that material. the stand alone movies of alien-aliens and predator only gives us the look and feel of the two creatures. i for one loved the original AvP comics AND books, what can i say there will always be people bitching about something. READ A BOOK

Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on August 18, 2004 6:40 PM

does anybody know of any sites where we can harpoon this moron of a director. i mean talk about an idiot. how the hell can alien blood melt pred weaponry. hello dick head if there hunting alins dont u think they would use weapons that arnt effected by alien blood. no apparently anderson is too busy fucking mila to worry about things like plot and story. who the fuck gave this moron the go ahead to make this holy of all holy movies. god is nothing sacred anymore. please somebody find a site or email to vent this anger it seems im not the onlyone who hates this guy

RE: AVP-A message to L.A. reply

Posted by Amayos (marc@amayos.com) on August 18, 2004 10:08 PM

Quite true, but then of course that means that effort would have to be applied, and effort often means longer productions and a bigger budget. Hell no. Let's slap something together and market the hell out of it, cuz we've done the demographics and know that just about every generation Xer is gonna rush out to see it. Cha-ching. Instant cash for minimal effort.

FUCK YOU ANDERSON!!!!!!! reply

Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on August 18, 2004 10:46 PM

AVP. A movie that fans be waiting years to come out finley comes out and it haves to fucking suck Thanks to fucking Paul Anderson. he made this movie just to make a quick bock the movie should of be soo much batter this is a another movie like jasonX a movie that is supposed to be good turns out to be fucking terrible Thanks to Directors like Paul Anderson. Dont waste your money on the resident evil 2 movie it probably going to suck dont give this guy any more money to destroy good movies.

Cheer up reply

Posted by Danger Powers (No Email) on August 19, 2004 2:43 AM

Being a uk resident I haven't actually seen the film yet but being a bit of a fan boy am pretty excited about the prospect. After reading the rather 'cheery' reviews i'm pretty apprehensive about seeing the film. None the less - as with so many films - if you go in with low expectations you actually end up enjoying them. It is rather a seering indictement of 'geekdom' that the amount of fury levelled at this film, if converted to something constructive could possibly solve third world debt or something similar. Don't get me wrong - i love the concepts and everything about at least Alien, Aliens and Pred 1 (Pred 2 was a bit wank if you're all honest) but we all have to accept that until the US film industry changes its 'profit before calibre' stance (at least to realistic levels) then you have to be pretty nieve to go into a franchise film like AvP and expect the brilliance of Ridley Scott etc.
So stop chopping off in front of dim computer screens and candle lit comic sessions and cheer up you buggers.

RE: Cheer up reply

Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on August 19, 2004 6:12 AM

What the fuck is a bugger?

RE: FUCK YOU ANDERSON!!!!!!! UPDATE reply

Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on August 19, 2004 6:57 AM

hey ppl im dwnloaded avp an from wat u lot r all sayin is dat it is shit plz god y did anderson do it y cudnt he fuck up sumthin like lord of da rings not avp . im really upset it has bought a tear 2 my eye
a tear of dissapoint ment

RE: Fuck AVP reply

Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on August 19, 2004 10:56 AM

Dont say the F word

AVP decent reply

Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on August 19, 2004 12:17 PM

Movie did its job..introduced Alien vs Predator War. Only way we gonna get more hollywood alien or pred movies is that we support them..lets not kill them...movie rocked!

Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on August 19, 2004 2:22 PM

FUCK YOU ANDERSON!!!!! UPDATE reply

Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on August 19, 2004 2:37 PM

Paul Anderson says about the movie FOX cute the movie up and that is why the movie is bad there were a lot more batter scenes in the movie and wane the DVD comes out all those scenes that were cute out will be in the movie soo what i am hearing the movie should be better. But i still think Paul Anderson fuckd up the movie Like the scenes with the Predator and the Human being friends and the scene of the Predator running with the human were pretty bad.

RE: AVP decent reply

Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on August 19, 2004 6:51 PM

You say that it introduced the whole Alien Vs Predator war but there was only about 15 minutes in total where we actually got to see them fight each other. Also, it doesn't really matter whether the movie does well or not a sequel could always come about, just look at Batman Begins, noone thought we'd ever see another Batman movie after Batman and Robin.

RE: Info. All Wrong reply

Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on August 19, 2004 7:06 PM

Hey.I might be wrong,but I think the alien in ALIEN3 spared Ripley because she was host to a Queen.I agree with everything else you said.

lets bring it to the point !!! reply

Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on August 19, 2004 9:24 PM

Folks thats just the way the "americans" do movies !!! FF2, riddicks chronics, dawn of the dead and mostly ?ny other sequel....food for the carbage. I dont see, where the problem is, there is more then enough money and a lot of great actors and directors. So sad, what happened with Aliens and Predators, hopefully they go on hunt for anderson now.

RE: lets bring it to the point !!! reply

Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on August 20, 2004 4:12 AM

Well, not just American movies, I mean the British are pretty good at making the 'generic, by-the-numbers romantic comedy' type film that cater for cabages'.

2 PREDATORS!!!!!!!!! reply

Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on August 20, 2004 7:03 AM

Why in the world did they kill off two predators in the first 45 minutes of the movies. OMG that pissed me off. Not only that but it was one fuckin alien that did it.

RE: a bugger is...... reply

Posted by Danger Powers (No Email) on August 20, 2004 7:53 AM

not really sure - bit like a grumpy old bastard but basically anyone who pisses you off.
Don't tell me you haven't seen Lock Stock and Two Smoking Barrels - cockney lingo etc. just off down the old submarine (sub = pub) and so forth.

RE: thats coz we got mojo baby reply

Posted by Danger Powers (No Email) on August 20, 2004 7:56 AM

generic and by the numbers yes....but filled with mojo and sweet loving....YES. none the less can agree - hate to pick the most obvious target but could anyone honestly picture Hugh Grant in anything other than a rom com?

RE: thats coz we got mojo baby reply

Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on August 20, 2004 11:28 AM

Or Richard Curtis writing anything other than a by-the-numbers rom-com starring Hugh Grant. Thank God for Shawn of the Dead.

RE: a bugger is...... reply

Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on August 20, 2004 11:29 AM

To be buggered means to be fucked in the ass.

RE: 2 PREDATORS!!!!!!!!! reply

Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on August 20, 2004 11:32 AM

How can Paul Anderson claim to be a fan of the original Alien and Predator films? Or even claim that he's SEEN them!?

who won reply

Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on August 21, 2004 2:53 PM

Did alien or Predator win?

Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on August 22, 2004 6:19 AM

Neither. Only one who survives is a human, just like everyone guessed would happen MONTHS ago.

Posted by Broken_Tusk (No Email) on August 23, 2004 5:22 AM

Ok let me spell this out for everyone who seems not to get it! The film was about a ritual discussed in all the AvP books and comics. The ritual is called "Blooding". It is a rite of passage for young inexperienced Yautja aka Predator. That's why in the flim the Yautja don't seem as masterful in thier hunting skills as seen in the other films. The young Yautja have to kill a Kainde Amedha aka Alien in mortal combat. Once the young Yautja gets the first kill they mark thier skull and Bio-mask with the symbol of thier clan using the Alien blood. I really wish all the so called fans would read some of the books instead of just watching films. You would gain a much better understanding of this film. Try reading AvP Prey it's a great book and if you are a fan it will be really enjoyable.

So the whole movie wasn't about who wins or loses but instead which young Yautja will be allowed to join the clan.

Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on August 24, 2004 11:47 AM

Sorry to be the one to tell you this but Alien and Predator ARE films, that's how they started off. They came fromn the minds of John McTiernan and Ridley Scott, all your little comic books don't mean shit.

Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on August 24, 2004 12:46 PM

I HATE YOU!

Who won reply

Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on August 24, 2004 8:49 PM

Wow! Who ever wins we lose. You know I liked that tag but it never cam to pass sence Lex was the last one left, so we did win. P.S. 1 Alien killing 2 Predators... Imposible.

Queen reply

Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on August 24, 2004 8:52 PM

The Queen could not have died that easly... and yea one Alien killing two Predator. Plus whats the deal of Mr. Predator teaming up with Lex, stupid

Posted by Broken_Tusk (No Email) on August 25, 2004 12:20 PM

You said, "Sorry to be the one to tell you this but Alien and Predator ARE films, that's how they started off. They came fromn the minds of John McTiernan and Ridley Scott, all your little comic books don't mean shit."

If you think the films are the only part that defines a genre then you need to seek help. I hate to tell you but a lot of the books were lot better then the movies. Take Alien 3 and 4 for example. Those to movies were total crap! Steve Perry who has written quite a few Alien and AvP books has some awesome stories and characters. Now before you start ranting read one of his books if you are able. Seems like you might be limited to pop-up books or just pretty pictures. Of course that wouldn't be a surprise.

Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on August 25, 2004 2:02 PM

What makes you think that just because it's written a certain way in a book makes it cannon? Oh, and don't suddenly refer to them as 'books'. They're comics, you know? picture books? Easy to read? Why do you think you enjoy them so much?

Posted by Broken_Tusk (No Email) on August 26, 2004 3:33 AM

Does stupidity run in your family or did you just get lucky. Tell you what check this link out Alien vs Predator: Prey. Now look real close and and you'll see via the picture this is a NOVEL. But be careful there no pictures or popups so you may have a hard time. I am not talking about the AvP comics. I am talking about the books written by Steve Perry. If you had paid attention to my last post you would have seen that as well. Maybe we all get lucky and you continue doing stupid stuff like this post or maybe you even recieve a Darwin Award.

Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on August 26, 2004 9:48 AM

Predators are hunters

Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on August 26, 2004 9:49 AM

Boo-hoo! Someone's bad mouthing my precious comic books, grow up retard.

Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on August 26, 2004 9:50 AM

Duh, really?

Posted by Broken_Tusk (No Email) on August 26, 2004 11:44 AM

I find it amazing how many stupid f'ing people exist in this world. Let me explain something to you. I AM TALKING ABOUT A NOVEL NOT A COMIC COOK YOU F'ING IDIOT!!!!! I probably shouldn't be surprised. It seems some of you can't read and comprehend. I really wonder who is the retard here. You obivously haven't read any (let me make it bold for you) NOVELS in the Alien vs Predator series. If you had I wouldn't be posting this reply. Why don't you try expanding your horizons and read the books in Alien vs Predator series. You might gain a richier understanding and enjoyment of the Alien, Predator and Alien vs Predator franchises.

RE: You are all dickheads reply

Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on August 26, 2004 4:26 PM

what the hell are you gys talking about? the alien killing two predators was sweet Preadators cant do shit ules they have cool wepons

Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on August 26, 2004 4:31 PM

Ha HA snowwhite vs cinderella would be funny because of 2 lezbian disny prinsesses fighting. how bout santa vs the easterbunny

Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on August 27, 2004 6:30 AM

Actually, I do read books although I have to admit they are probably not as sophisticated as novels like 'Alien Vs Predator' Wow, forget Shakespeare or Dickens because some nerd has gotten hold of Alien Vs Predator books!
If you love these comics and NOVELS so much then that's fine but personally, when it comes to action and gore I'll stick with the movies.

Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on August 27, 2004 6:34 AM

IT'S A FILM.

Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on August 27, 2004 6:36 AM

Why the fuck should people have to read a book about AvP to fully understand everything? The director should make the movie well ebough so that nothing needs to be explianed by going off and reading the book.

AVP = Peyote Vs Psilocybin. reply

Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on August 27, 2004 6:41 AM

I fink dat Arnie shuda come in de end an Killed dem all.

Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on August 27, 2004 8:29 AM

ATTN: For all those that missed the boat. The Alien Vs Predator movie being showin in late summer of 2004. Is more a serious lesson from the gods. It tells how The predators taught us how to build, using Space age Technology contained in Peyote, Psilocybin Mushrooms, and similar hallucigens.

The Aliens represent the Psilopsybin. Since the Human stomach is the chosen vessle of the Psilocybin it is common for it to erupt in humans stomachs. The predators use of Peyote is evident, For it is the Essence of Predator Spirit. It taught men to hunt for buffalo, and how build muscles and Pyramids, very quickly.

Some redeeming qualities reply

Posted by Broken_Tusk (No Email) on August 27, 2004 9:59 AM

You have almost gotten my point. You and I both are fans of the genre. I'm just saying that the Alien vs Predator books 1 & 3 are very good. You really should give them a chance. My other point is you might appreciate the movie more after reading the books. I leave that choice to you.

Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on August 27, 2004 2:11 PM

I'm a huge fan of the first two Alien flicks and liked both Prerdator movies a lot. Alien 3 and Resurrection I can watch but took the franchise in a direction that I feel it is still reeling from. I think that AvP is guilty of the same thing but I have to be honest in it's praises.

First is the Alien and Predator 4 minute brawl. It looked just as good as I hoped it would. With minimal CG and great sequences( what fan did not like the Alien "hammer throw" performed by the Predator? Outstanding!). Sadly, this fight should have ended with the Predator hoisting the Alien's head up in the air in triumph. I'm a bigger Alien fan than Predator but the end result was not what I was expecting.

I thought the Aliens, especially the queen looked great. I saw no need for the Predator's different masks as having seen both movies and read virtually all of the comics there hasn't been any differnce before with the exception of some markings.

On that note fans of the comics, and I am a huge one, know that a lot of elements in this film are "borrowed" from the Dark Horse books. That is why this movie is somewhat defensible by readers of these issues as we did see a lot of "Aliens vs. Predator"(first series), "Cold War", "Duel" and others influences. Surely, us Dark Horse readers would have much preferred the AvP first series on the desert planet(excellent series) brought to the screen since Anderson has obviously read it.

Finally, the thing I have to say that I'm sure is going to get me some cute nicknames is you should go see this movie. As a fan of these creatures I was thrilled to finally see them up on the big screen. The passion we all seem to have for these franchises I would agree has been taken advantage of but there are some sequences that do shine( that chestburster should have stayed in the italian dudes chest). Then maybe Cameron can call the studio and say " I'd like to take a crack at this." and we can all get the definitive AvP movie we all deserve.

Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on August 28, 2004 7:48 AM

I just don't like any medium where to fully understand the full picture you are required to read the comic or book or play the video game i.e The Matrix. If the comics explain all the changes that Anderson made to the movie then when didn't he just explain it in the actual movie?

AvP reply

Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on August 28, 2004 7:54 AM

I'm as big a fan of Aliens and Predators as anyone but I absolutely HATED this movie. I'm no fan of Predator 2, Alien 3 or Alien Resurrection but this piece of crap was by far the worst of both franchises.

Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on August 28, 2004 12:20 PM

I understand your frustration with this film but I've never been more disapointed in and Aien film than I was with Alien 3. Watching Hicks and Newt's "funeral", I said to myself "This is a franchise killer."

If you've never seen Alien or Aliens and you saw three it can actually appear to be a decent sci-fi movie. However,it was beyond my comprehension that a better follow up to two of the greatest movies I've seen(alien and aliens)could not be produced. I'm still devestated.

Alien vs Predator- IT SUCKED reply

Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on August 30, 2004 4:04 AM

Well, I saw the films in order so maybe if I had seen Alien 3 first I might have thought it a half decent movie but I didn't. Never-the-less, I still feel that AvP was the worst of all the Alien and Predator films.

Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on August 30, 2004 7:30 AM

Wow, my two favorite Sci-Fi movie topics, slaughtered be mediocrity! A prime example of what happens when you have big, overstuffed movie executives who are so fucking stupid, they simply don't get what makes a good movie. Alien vs Predator could have been HUGE! But nooooo! The assholes at FOX chose to work the same fucking formula that is a PROVEN LOSER when it comes to sequels. Well, PRE-quels, as this dumb ass movie seems to be done in our time vs. the future.

Anyway, I sum this movie up as dull, boring and stupid.

There is very little continuity with AVP and the other movies. Other then the thinly veiled history of each. The movie seems to be in a race towards ending quickly from the moment is starts. There is no build up, no mystery, no suspense and no character development. It simply rattles along at a very fast pace that leaves you completely void of any emotions other then watching a cheap, Sunday afternoon action flick on TV.

They discover the pyramid in the arctic and away we go......
Before you know it, the expedition is neck deep, under ground.

The people at the based camp are diced and sliced before you get a chance to blink. Wow, that was exciting....NOT.

And, before you know it, there is a QUEEN, unfrozen and popping eggs like they are rabbit pellets on a shit-production line. A few buffoons get trapped in the "sacrificial chamber". Sounds exciting, right? Man, they made this so dull and fucking predictable, it wasn't work at scene. They had a hot ass chick security guard you thought was simply going to kick some ass going down. Holy fuck, how much more boring and unimportant can you make a scene.

Alien pod opens.
Dumb ass fucking actors look over.
Alien face hugger jumps.

ALL OVER. What fucking idiot did they pay to make this movie.

And, it goes down hill from here.

3 Predators.
2 disappear almost without a fight. Bing band bong, they are dead.

YAWN!!!

And, it slides even more from here....

The lead heroin is as dull as dull can be. Who gives a fuck or feels anything for this actress? The rest of the cast is the same, a ho-hum collection of NO BODIES who you gather up to make a LOW BUGET and FORGETABLE movie no body will remember or care about in 6 fucking months.

FOX, YOU FUCKING IDIOTS.

You had the opportunity to make an unbelievable epic Sci-Fi classic. Instead, you give us bubble-gum, godzilla squashes Toyko CRAP.

FOX, YOU FUCKING IDIOTS.

Don't waste your money seeing this. If you have to see it, wait until they show it on TV.

DON'T RENT IT.
DON'T PAY A DIME TO SEE IT.

I have a friend in the movie industry.

ALL MOVIES MAKE MONEY.

This piece of shit effort will make money as well.

Why??

Because people rent of buy the videos.

SEND AM MESSAGE TO THESE DUMB AS FUCKS IN HOLLYWOOD.

DON'T WASTE YOUR TIME OR MONEY ON THIS FUCKING STINKER.

This movie was so bad that they did not even show a preview to the critics BEFORE it was released. FOX knew they had a DOG and wanted your box office opening day money. And, the results speak for themselves. It dropped off the face of the earth over the course of the opening week.

When I say it, there were 9 people in the theater.

FOX, YOU FUCKING IDIOTS.

Save your money!!!!!!

All this movie has is nice photography.

The rest sucks.

Alien vs Predator counterpoint reply

Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on August 30, 2004 11:53 AM

>Now before I say anything, let me state this: I've been a life-long fan of both franchises.
>The first two 'Alien' installments remain two of my all-time favorite films. They're what turned me onto the horror genre.
>Hell, I even dug 'Alien 3' and 'Resurrection'...warts n' all.

I'm sorry, but no true Alien fan in my little delusional mind would ever say that. Alien 3 killed the franchise and pretty much ruined all hopes of there ever being another good Alien movie. Alien 3 in itself did more damage to the genre than any other film could have.

> And I worship and adore BOTH 'Predator' movies.

I'm sorry but by saying that you have lost all credibility in my eyes. Predator 2 was so atrociously bad that it didn't even rank to me as a good B movie. Danny Glover was wasted in that movie. There were so many continuity and plot holes in that film that it wasn't funny. The bad guys weren't realistic, they were cartoony and ridiculously over the top and unbelievable. It was bloody and gratuitously so. If that's your only basis then that's not much. The entire story and premise was ridiculously hokey.

> I've been waiting impatiently for over a decade for this film. I bought all the comic books. I played all the video games.
>This was a match made in fanboy heaven...and I wanted to see a big-screen adaptation more than anything.

[translation: I'm a rabid Alien vs. Predator freak who thinks I know what good cinema is]

> Too bad Paul Anderson: Dream Rapist had to come in and single-handidly destroy everything I love in a quick 100 minutes.

Everyone had expectations going into this film. AvP has been done to death in ideas, fanficts, comics, and glassy-eyed school-boy wet dreams for years. You were probably expecting something that was along the lines of master-of-gore where dismemberment and utter brutality was king.

You know what's funny? The movie didn't suck. Your expectations killed the movie for you. And if I were pent up for 10 years expecting an orgasm of violence and epic glorious storylines I'd be pretty damn disappointed too. I hope you don't feel that way about sex because you'll be disappointed yet again. Life for you will be nothing but disappointments.

I went into this movie expecting it to suck. Hell, I watched Alien Resurrection just to remind myself how bad it will probably be. I expected to see lots of cool toys and a high body count. And you know what? I got a half-decent story and a lot of cool effects and a premise that wasn't spectacular but didn't suck like Alien 3 and 4 or Predator 2.

So if you pulled your head out of your ass, you'd realize AvP was a half-decent movie.

Could there have been more gore and should it have been rated R, hell yeah. Could there have been a story like the comics? Sure, but you know, I read the comics and half of them were not believable for me anyway. To me AvP isn't an end all. It's a beginning to something else.

And as a beginning of a series to someone who loved the first 2 Alien films and Predator, this film wasn't bad. It sounds bizarre that I'm saying this, but I have to.

Don't have orgasmic expectations going into this film. If you do you'll hate it. It'll be underwhelming. This is a prequel. It's a setup for things to come. It won't be something epic. Don't expect Lord of the Rings. You won't get it. But you know what? That's true for every damn film ever made, except Lord of the Rings.

>First off, this does not feel like an 'Alien' or 'Predator' film. It feels like 'Jurassic Park IV' with Aliens and Predators in place of dinosaurs.

I'll agree with this- but I'm not so worried and here's why. Get those High School and College kids interested in AvP, have it make a lot of money and have Fox pay the big bucks for a better film later on. Release an R rated version of AvP on DVD. Revive what is otherwise a dead genre. AvP hadn't been made for 10 years because the movie industry in general doesn't believe science fiction can sell.

>The characters? Not a memorable one in the whole lot. You won't find another Ripley, Hudson...or even a Danny-Boy.

No, all the characters struck me as very human and normal. Kinda like the people you work with every day. The cast selections were appropriate in my book to the characters. I work with scientists and they came across as genuine and not fake. Sorry but when you get pulled from a project to work on another project and there's not much time in between, there's just not going to be a lot of character development. That happens in real life too.

>Lex is one of the most generic and dull heroines to stumble through a feature film...and surprisingly, the supporting cast displays even less energy.

You're living in a dream world where all women are these strong-willed super soldier warrior princesses. Look around you. People with that kind of strength are out there but they're not so common. You have a fantasy view of people and it's totally off base. For the story presented, her character was perfect and most importantly realistic.

> Even Lance Henriksen - our one ray of sunshine - isn't in the film long...and does very little.

I'll agree with that. I wish he was in the film longer- his part of the story could have been written better. He could have realized the Predator code and then lived longer to plan something else. People don't become leaders of businesses by doing impulsively stupid things. Some do in their old age so what he did wasn't that off the radar either. Still I wished it happened differently.

>There isn't a single good or fresh idea in the script. Hell, I thought the whole pyramid/training-ground concept was pretty sweet...until Anderson started crafting his own mythology around it.

Sorry dude, you're totally wrong there. He didn't craft his own mythology around it. The idea of the pyramids and aliens is an old idea. Hell, legends of the Mayans being taken away by aliens have been around for at least two hundred years. Stargate used that idea and ran with it. Human sacrifices in Aztec pyramids are historical fact, not made up. All the writers in AvP did was take it with a new twist.

>I won't spoil anything, but let's just say that it's stupid beyond words.

You should read some books and get educated before you make yourself look stupid to those who've actually studied.

>Now...about the PG-13 rating, which I tried so hard to ignore: IT SHOWS!!!
>God, does it show! Most of the violence in this film is not directed towards Aliens or Predators...but HUMANS.

Hello?? Humans are the star of the show, get used to it. In Predator the stars were the HUMANS. And guess what? In Alien and Aliens the stars were, *gasp* the humans! Amazing!

What was most important to me was the rules in Predator and Alien ALL applied. Of course the most important around a Predator is, you pick up a gun around a Predator, you're dog meat.

> When it's time for a chestbursting or a tongue-death, all we get is a typical cut away.

Yeah that was a bummer. It's the whole Rated PG-13 thing. I hope they release an R version. But statistically PG-13 films make more money. *shrug* I'll deal.

>Gone is the colorful profanity that was so much fun to listen to.
>Even the token "ugly mutherfucker" line gets cut off half-way through.

Sorry to disappoint you, but in Predator, Arnold's line is cut off in EXACTLY the same place. Some fan of the movie you are if you didn't know that. They were paying homage to Predator by using that line. Too bad you missed it.

> This is exactly what we all feared: A franchise film that looks and feels as if it were made for little kids.

Teenagers, not little kids. Oh, and in case you hadn't noticed, Aliens and Predator both became franchises a LONG time ago. Over ten years ago in fact.

> I'm not saying an R-rating would've automatically made this good (far from it)...but it would've at least given us some fun carnage.

No, the carnage was all there. You just wanted to see the teeth ripping the flesh from bodies, the blades tearing through flesh and blood squirting everywhere as creatures writhed in pain. Admit it, you're a sick f*ck.

>The fights between the beasts are so badly shot and edited, I didn't care for one solitary second. It didn't stir up one bit of emotion in my inner-fanboy.

And you don't even do such a good job doing that. You don't even know the films as well as you claim.

> And the creatures look HORRIBLE. The Aliens seemed okay...but the Predators are absolutely wretched.
>They look like goofy WWF wrestlers and in no way resemble or act like what we saw in the other films.

I don't know which other film you were watching, but they behaved exactly the same. In fact, they looked better in the new film than the old. You may not have noticed but in the original Predator the Predator was THAT big. He picked up Arnold by the neck and hoisted him off the ground just to look at him eye level. The Predators are BIG and nasty. For someone who claims they know Predator you don't know jack. Also keep in mind that the original Predator was an experienced hunter. In AvP they were not.

>It's really hard not to chuckle whenever they appear onscreen.

It's hard not to chuckle whenever you claim you know something about the films and then procede to show how ignorant you really are.

> Let's just say, that it lived up to all my fears...and created some new ones.

I won't necessarily disagree with that. I think if I lived my life in expectation I'd always be disappointed. I was like that a long time ago but I know better now. We all wish we could have things our way but we can't. Life just works out that way.

Sadly, AvP wasn't that bad of a film and too bad you couldn't see it. Your loss or my delusion. Either way each person should make up their own decision. I do warn you though- if you have expectations about this film, you WILL be disappointed. But that rule holds true for ALL movies.

> Paul Anderson has not made a movie for the fans.

No, he made a movie for the genre to broaden its appeal. We can argue all year if that's good or bad but it doesn't matter in the end. Movies are made to make money. Let's not delude ourselves into believing that directors make movies to cater to fans. They don't. Get over it. If they did we wouldn't have Aliens 3 and 4 or Predator 2.

> He's taken a beloved franchise, stripped it of it's soul, and marketed it to 10-year-old boys.

I disagree completely. I think he has taken what would otherwise be a dead franchise and breathed life back into it. Sure AvP will always exist in our minds, in PC gaming, and comics, but damn it, we want it on the f*ck*ng big screen where it belongs.

Movie producers don't want to spend money on SF films because traditionally they don't make money. If you make a movie just for a narrow audience of diehard fans, it won't make enough money to justify making movies. I'm sorry but die hard Alien and Predator fans aren't enough to keep a movie idea in production. It's going to need to appeal to a hell of a lot more people.

What a lot of rabid fans can't see because they were expecting the orgasmic film from hell is that this film is true to the spirit of the ideas in the first films. It will broaden the appeal of the ideas and better movies will be made.

> I've liked many of his films and I've been defending him for years. I was even excited when he was announced as director, while most people groaned. But all the naysayers were right.

No, you fell into the same trap every naysayer falls into. Your expectations killed your enjoyment of the movie. Even if they got Cameron to do this film, a lot of people would still say that at best it was just passing or a good try. There's no way you can beat 10 years of pent up expectation. No way at all. No one, not even Cameron is that good. You'd need the budget of Lord of the Rings to do that and AvP had nowhere near that.

> Out of all my brutal movie disappointments, this ranks a staunch #1.

Your disappointment is all your own.

Alien 3 was my #1 brutal movie disappointment of ALL time.

For me AvP will forever be one of the pleasant surprises of all times. I expected it to totally suck and found that it failed to suck. My only gripes were with some minor problems with the ending and hopefully they'll fix the rushed editing job. This film opens all sorts of doors to possibilities for better AvP movies.

I hope AvP fans get the big picture. If this film does well, there will be opportunities for better films. If you had expectations going into this film, go to a matinee and try to look at it on its own merits. You might not be able to, that's ok. We're all only human.

Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on August 30, 2004 3:10 PM

>Well, I saw the films in order so maybe if I had seen Alien 3 first I might have thought it a half decent movie but I didn't. >Never-the-less, I still feel that AvP was the worst of all the Alien and Predator films.

Jeez, did you even read what you wrote? You just said 'Look at me, I'm an idiot.'

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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on August 30, 2004 3:54 PM

You don't need to read any books or comics to understand AvP. You just have to pay attention to the details in AvP, Predator, Alien and Aliens. Those three films tell you EVERYTHING you need to know about the Aliens and the Predators. If you've seen Alien, then you know exactly how the entire life cycle of the Alien works. And if you've seen the director's cut, you know exactly what it looks like.

I even brought a friend who had never seen any of the Predator and Alien movies and she got it just fine, thought the movie was ok. The basics of AvP were this:

(skip if you don't want spoilers)

1) If you're a threat, Predator kill you. You's sporting if you's armed. Pick up a weapon, you die.

2) Pyramid is test for young INEXPERIENCED Predators as their rite of passage to warrior. I thought this was pretty damn obvious without the scientists actually talking about it in the movie.

3) Predators use captive alien queen as the source mechanism in this "rite of passage." Been doing it for centuries. Pretty convenient since you can just freeze, defrost, and refreeze for repeated use. Clever idea.

4) Humans too damn smart and too damn nosy, f*ck*d it all up. Hunt was supposed to start when the Predators got their guns at the bottom and worked their way back up to the top. Humans pulled the guns, the Hunt was started too early AND the Predators didn't have their their guns. Rite of passage went FUBAR.

I mean, I could be on crack, but that's a pretty damn tight story. It ain't Lord of the Rings, but it's kick ass better than Predator 2 (let's cut up a bunch of people for fun in LA and have Danny Glover chase them) or Alien3 (Ripley and the Aliens buddy up on a prison planet) and 4 (Let's clone Ripley so we can have more Aliens).

Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on August 31, 2004 7:49 AM

>Come on, (don't read on if you don't want a spoiler) how can an Alien befriend a human the way the one in the movie did? ?

Are you on crack? Do you have any concept of a warrior's code? The predators live by the warrior's code, this really primitive thing that dates back centuries even in human culture. It says if you're getting your ass kicked and some schmoe fodder comes along and helps you KILL your enemy, you owe them one. What's more, if they kill your enemy and they were unproven before, even if they're 'kind' was originally beneath you in station, they have earned the respect of a warrior. What's more if they were in the same trial to rank of warrior as you, they have also earned the same right of respect. That's what being a worthy adversary or opponent is about.

Another way to look at it is humans are fodder. For a fodder to kill one of your enemies is respectable and damned useful.

Think of it this way- if you were playing the AvP game and you were a Predator and some schmuck unarmed human decides to help you by giving you a gun and kill an alien, would you object to having them along especially if their kills contributed to your numbers and score? Hell no. Outside of the warrior's code that's just common sense.

I know a lot of people don't get the whole warrior's code and honor thing so I'll explain it to you. In a society of warriors you follow the rules. Anyone who's taken a fighting art understands this. If you don't, you get your ass wiped over the floor by your leaders. It's just how it works.

>That crap completely had me pissed halfway through the movie. ?
>It completely destroyed the dark, sinister "Predator" we saw in the first movie with Arnold Schwarzenegger.

Were you even paying any attention when you saw the first Predator movie? You must have been so scared that you weren't paying attention to what was happening. Everybody was armed. Anybody who's armed is fair game. The Predator was following the warrior's code. It would not attack or kill an unarmed person. That's why Anna lived- because Arhnold prevented her from taking a gun.

>?Heck, even the second one had a huge lead on this crap film I had to waste almost 2 hours of my life watching. ?

You are so full of sh*t it's not funny. The second Predator movie was so bad it's not even on the same plane as AvP. Predator 2 didn't even have a story and all the acting in it sucked except maybe Danny Glover. The entire movie except the part with the sex scene was hilarious. It was a plain old slasher movie. Yeah, there was a little bit of hints at the Predator code and that cool alien skull at the end, but a decent movie it was not.

And let's get some things straight here, AvP pretty much ended the same way Predator 2 did. The Predators follow their code. I know that really upsets you, but get over it.

> On top of everything, way too little direction in the movie and a very goofy plot, in my opinion.

You have no credibility. Predator 2's plot was goofier and totally hokey on top of everything and you consider Predator 2 a better movie. What a load of crap.

Predator 2 was a worse movie in story, characters, premise, originality, AND dialogue and yet you still consider Predator 2 the better movie. Let's put the Predator in LA and let it kill everyone and have Danny Glover chase it! LAME! That's not a fricking story! I can daydream better than that. That's not even fit for me to wipe my ass on.

Understand that you hated AvP because you had expectations for some orgasmic epic movie. AvP definitely wasn't that, but it was way better than that crap Predator 2 or Aliens 3 and 4. As a movie AvP actually does stand on its own. It wasn't epic and it was short, but it was a good start that is making money for the first time in a long time. The most important thing is that there is an opportunity for better movies later.

>?Hell, let Quentin Tarantino get in on the action if there is indeed a sequel. ?

Hell no. Keep Tarantino away from AvP. Talk about hiring the wrong director to kill a franchise. I'd like to see Ridley Scott or James Cameron back behind the helm.

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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on September 2, 2004 7:38 AM

No, there was a reason the cannons were at the bottom of the pyramid. It was part of the rite of passage to warrior for the inexperienced Predators. Only the stupid humans screwed it up by taking them and starting the rite prematurely. If you got that, everything else made sense. If you didn't, then the movie made no sense for you.

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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on September 2, 2004 7:51 AM

You idiot, the franchise was dead years ago. Aliens 3 and Predator 2 pretty much killed this franchise. Aliens 4 was made only because the first 2 movies were still doing well.

Predator 2 was so bad and did so poorly that no studio would fund a Predator 3.

It really hurts me to say this but AvP wasn't bad as a movie if you don't go into it expecting an orgie of blood or an epic story like Lord of the Rings you WILL be disappointed. If you're just looking for a good movie, AvP wasn't bad as a movie. It's below our expectations, but all in all it's a good springboard to potentially bigger budget better movies.

Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on September 2, 2004 8:00 AM

Awesome. I look forward to the Director's Cut. I definitely agree that the editing SUCKED ROCKS.

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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on September 2, 2004 8:19 AM

See the other discussions on the Warrior's Code. When you're fighting a common enemy, you don't have to be friends. You're just damned useful. But if you're a warrior and a fodder kills my enemy, you are granted the respect as a warrior because the code requires it.

Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on September 2, 2004 8:36 AM

>he should read half of what fan-boys discuss as to what would be the perfect avp or resident evil film,
>and then even if he used even the worst ideas, could create a better movie than those that he has with his own shitty takes on them.

Let me spell out something that maybe you don't know about. Any story (fanfict, comic, novel, short story) that has been previously published in print or on the web CANNOT be used in a movie or adapted to the screen. Unless the original author is a professional well-known writer, studios will have NOTHING to do with them. It is cheaper to have a professional screenwriter write something that hasn't been used than to try to negotiate any kind of rights for something pre-existing. This is how the industry works. Consequently all those good ideas in stories you talk about in fanficts or whatever can NEVER be used.

> this will probably be the nail in the avp coffin.

I disagree. Aliens and Predator were both dead a long time ago. Predator 2 sucked so much and bombed so badly at the theater that there was not EVER going to be another Predator film.

AvP, despite its rough editing, was an ok movie. Not spectacular, but decent. We all have our complaints but compared to the schlock of Alien 3 and 4 and Predator 2, this film kicked ass, EVEN at PG-13 instead of R. Yeah, I'm bummed by that too.

>now we will need some indie director to recreate the avp mythos.

Won't happen. Fox owns the rights to both Alien and Predator. No one can use either in a movie without their permission.

> did i mention anderson gets to fuck milla jovovich too?

Lucky guy.

>life isn't fair.

Sucks to be you.

Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on September 2, 2004 11:27 AM

So how come the Alien life cycle was sped up?

How about some studio support? reply

Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on September 2, 2004 11:30 AM

Excuse me? What is wrong with that statement? Read it again, this time slowly.

Get a life. reply

Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on September 2, 2004 11:36 AM

Dude, seriously you are so sad.

RE: Get a life. reply

Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on September 2, 2004 11:40 AM

Just one point I thought I'd pick up on. In the original Predator movie the 'Ulgy Motherfucker' line isn't cut off. You've probably just seen it on TV and it was censored or something.

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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on September 2, 2004 3:04 PM

>-when it's weaker, it can still eat through flesh enough to scar,-
>so what did the chick Lex wrap her arm in in order to use the alien head as a gauntlet (which, while looking COOL, just didn't make sense.)

I suspect the bad editing job cut something out that we needed to know. The brain cavities of the Alien don't have blood, hence no acid. That's why the Predator's blade also didn't melt when it sliced that Alien's brain. The metal weapons melt only when drenched in acid.

Not all weapons are necessarily made of metal. We know for example that the Predator's spear is made of something lighter than metal that has the ability to collapse into such a small size. Could be a ceramic in which case it would be immune to acid.

It's not uncommon for gladiars going into a ring to have several weapons made of different materials. I suspect the netting could even be a polymer-based resin that contracts when exposed to cold or air. We have materials today that behave exactly this way.

Posted by JGDragov (No Email) on September 2, 2004 6:11 PM

The biggest disapointment about this movie for me was the total lack of support from Fox. I mean, unless you're an avid fan of these franchises or someone who surfs the web looking for movie info there seemed to be minimal buzz for this movie at best.
I have waited anxiously for this flick since I first started reading the Dark Horse comics. It seemed like anytime I brought this movie up to people they were like "Really, they're making an Alien/Predator movie? It seemed like I was informing most people I know about this movie and they were oblivious to it's existance. I didn't see a commercial until 5 days before the film opened and no one I knew so the trailor on a screen bigger that theor PC monitor. opened.
Some people say the studio felt the movie was a dog so they didn't treat it like a big time flick but does that make any sense? I mean I saw "Godzilla" on buses, cereal boxes and in Taco Bell months before that movie came out and I'm sure you'd find just as many people split on that movie as well. I don't agree with every post I've read here but I totally respect the passion of the fans and the studio should have too. Not because they care about us but because they should care about a potential "new" franchise that could routinely top $100 mil. These two franchise have massive followings but that seems to have been lost on them.
Thankfully this movie has already outgrosed the last two Alien sequels and Predator 2, even in adjusted dollars. That makes it a good bet there will be a sequel which I would certainly go see. I just hope the next time around the studio treats it like the epic/blockbuster I'm sure we'd all want it to be.

Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on September 2, 2004 7:38 PM

It still says, now slowly, 'Hey... look at me... eeeevveerryyyoone. I'm an iiiidddiiiiiot.'

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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on September 2, 2004 7:44 PM

I think what that post is saying is that the author of the text admitted posibly not having a proper base for a correct comparison but maintains a position based on that ignorance anyways.

RE: Get a life. reply

Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on September 2, 2004 7:47 PM

>Dude, seriously you are so sad.

Look who's talking.

Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on September 2, 2004 8:04 PM

It sounds like the DVD might be worth a look if rumors are true that Paul Anderson was really pissed at the crappy editing job Fox did. I'll withhold my final judgement on Mr. Anderson (I'm feeling like Agent Smith all of the sudden) until I see that version and assume the theatrical version is the Fox hack.

man reply

Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on September 3, 2004 1:40 AM

ive gotta wait until 30th september to see it.

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Posted by Amayos (marc@amayos.com) on September 3, 2004 11:29 AM

So bitter! I wonder if this guy works for or IS Paul Anderson? ^_^

The movie was terrible. No amount of pseudo-intellectual counterpunches will ever change that. The End.

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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on September 3, 2004 12:16 PM

I hear the the DVD will be a completely uncut, R-rated version. While this sounds promising I still have doubts as to whether this will stop it from still being crap. I mean, you can't polish a turd.

RE: Get a life. reply

Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on September 3, 2004 12:17 PM

>Look who's talking.

I know you are but what am I?

Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on September 3, 2004 12:20 PM

You get picked on at school don't you.

Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on September 3, 2004 12:24 PM

I think what it was saying was that had he not seen any of the other Alien movies prior to watching Alien 3 then he might have found it more enjoyable as he wouldn't have been comparing it to the other teo films. It's quite simple really.

hmm reply

Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on September 5, 2004 10:06 PM

if the dvds rated r then it should be better because of the violence right?

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Posted by JGDragov (No Email) on September 6, 2004 6:47 AM

The initial length of this feature was suppose to be 140 minutes. Considering the realease was actually 87, I think it's a safe bet it will feature more violence. I would hope to see more Alien and Predator brawling but I don't know how much of that they would have edited out unless it is true that some effects were not completed in time for the release.
Also, the new subplot that Anderson claims will be in the DVD is beleived to be the conspiracy against Weyland(Hennrickson). I read in January that Peter Weller of Robocop fame joined the cast as a corrupt executive that wanted ol Bishop whacked. Whether scenes with him were actually filmed I do not know. If they were however I'm quite sure that you'll see them in the DVD.

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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on September 6, 2004 6:57 AM

I think alot of what will be restored will be when the Alien or Predator lunges at the human and in the theatrical release it just cut away.

Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on September 6, 2004 10:51 PM

does anybody actually know where i can downlaod the avp fight scene?

Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on September 7, 2004 5:30 AM

Check out the offical site or Apple- Movie trailers.

Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on September 7, 2004 9:39 PM

thanks :)