The Passion took in a whopping $23.6 million on it's opening day (Ash Wednesday), making it the biggest religious-themed movie opening since Charlton "gun-toting Republican" Heston's The Ten Commandments and Ben-Hur. Another excellent example of how controversy can be a great form of advertising.
Mel Gibson and Money
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on February 27, 2004 10:42 PM
The fact that Gibson NEEDED to make this PASSION because it was a deep form of catharsis, the fact that he invested 25 million + into this project, makes me break out in gales of disbelieving laughter that YOU would consider this a money making scheme when countless others were equally sure this would mean GETTING TANKED FOR GOOD. Why the hell don't you JUST GROW UP? You sound jealous, angry, and STUPID.
RE: has anyone seen da movie?
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on February 28, 2004 9:33 AM
i did it before the premiere, in Rome...
is awesome, amazing, I?m sure it happened as in the movie..,
and there?s not antisemitism,
Just saw the movie...
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Posted by Nila443 (nila443@hotmail.com) on February 28, 2004 7:50 PM
I just saw this movie today...Well, i think it's another brilliant work of Mel Gibson. As "Brave Heart was".
And i don't think it's only about religion in this movie or wanting to say that jews are bad. It's about to show how Mel saw, what was givven to him to say.
Most of the movie about jews are about how bed is there life, how we should cry for them. But hello, that did what they did, that was there Karma. And Mel just showed the truth. Most of the movie about them sponsored by Jews, so it's there point of view, how hopless there life but they are actually "so good" (like in the "Pianist").
It's an honest movie of the person who wanted to show what he felt, what he saw. I think he was chosen to say. By God. And i'm Hindu. peronally, and i am not the antisimit. But i think that's the best work i've ever seen so far. And i understand why Mel Gibson did it.
Good luck MEl!
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on February 29, 2004 3:13 PM
Yup..so Mel gets accused of being an anit-Semite, then he blasted for having too much violence, then that he's just trying to make a lot of money, yada, yada, yada...But to blame a movie for killing an old lady? Come on, unless you're an ambulance chasing attorney.
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on March 1, 2004 1:33 AM
Of all the actors in Hollywood,who can take on a job of carefully and accuratly interprite thos most sensite part in the bible? "The Blood of Christ", "The Cross", "The prayer", The one who took our sins and desease on him self and wiped them off of us with HIS own blood? Very heard to pick those actors, so many are corupt by fame, at least Mel trully admits it to public that was like that but he changed (thats a brave man). My point is, to pick a man from the corupt "spiritually bankrupt" place like Hollywood and creat such a spiritually overwhelming film is just nothing more than the work of spirit to open up the eyes to those who are not "apples" nor "oranges". This movie is not for spiritual christians becuase of their spiritual level with God. Neve sit in a house of curroption. Hope it meant sense. Those who know the Bible well ask yourself? Would the Holy Ghost go with you to the theater where the same theater was used for vialence horror and so on viewing?
RE: Just saw the movie...
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on March 1, 2004 1:43 AM
To Mel: If God humiliated them for their actions then they truly are humiliated and so be it. Does God loves them? you better belive He does, country so small and yet so powerfull. Their fate is in the bible and its a good end for them but the road for jews is really rough to that end, because HE chose to bring US (the rest of the world) to salvation, to give us the opertunity be the sons of Abraham (freind of God. He chose and who are we to make it otherwise? It is on the spine of jews that our salvation is coming if we open our hearts. and it their spine it will be until the day the last "unjacobs" will step in the church of Christ "His bride" then the doors will close and Israel will live forever. Jewish people need not to make elephent out of fly's or call black white and white black, this is the very same reason why God was and is upset at them. its in the bible. Their house will be empty until HE will come in Glory and thats engraved in stone, they will see that day
RE: Mel Gibson and Money
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on March 1, 2004 8:19 AM
Don't forget how he made that 25 million plus. Also, Martin Scorcesse's career seemed to go on without a hitch after "The Last Temptation." Gibson's movie is not antisemetic, it just sucks. Especially the ridiculous comic relief where Jesus apparently is responsible for inventing the dinner table and the stupid albino baby that the devil carries around are just plain retarded plot points. And for a film that is supposed to follow the gospels, what is the deal with Veronica's veil, the crow pecking the eyes of the thief, the John 8 flashback (proven not to be from the original text), and the snake in Gethsemene? None of which are in the New Testament. He should stick to making movies about topics he knows about, like driving old black cops crazy with his special blend of suicidal, crazy cop antics. Joe Pecsi should have played John the Baptist. Maybe Tina Turner as the blessed mother?
The Passion of Christ
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Posted by deistman (bbob40@comcast.net) on March 2, 2004 9:32 AM
There's been a lot of admonition to "read your bible" on here (as if that proves anything to anyone) but I would suggest that everyone find a copy of "The Dolorous Passion of Jesus Christ" upon which this movie is actually based. It was written by a 14th century nun, and recounts her "vision" of the last 12 hours of Yehoshua's life. I say Yehoshua because that was his name (so maybe people should read their Suetonius and Pliny as well, but I'm not holding my breath.
Here's my problem: If you were living in that area at the time, and you weren't Roman or Greek, you were a brown-skinned person. The blond, blue-eyed, Italian impostor wasn't commissioned by the vatican until much later, and was painted from an actual Italian male model. If this is so historically accurate, why is everyone white? I'll tell you why. The Nicean Council of 325 CE concerned itself with many things, but the most important was the Europeanization of the church and the centralization of Papal power. Prior to that, most artistic representations of Yehoshua and his mother were black, with tight corn-rowed hair, and African facial features. The oldest known painting of him can be found in the catacombs of Rome, and I assure you, he is black. White Xtians always respond with a "What does it matter, etc." and to them I say, it doesn't matter a whit to me, since I am not a Xtian. Paint him green, I don't give a shit. But, please, stop going on and on about the Pope saying "It is as it was." The Pope has a vested interest in keeping the status quo, always has, and is therefore an unfit arbiter of what is and isn't real or factual. Also, you need to check out two other things that will smell a bit:
1. Mel Gibson belongs to the Holy Family sect of Catholicism, which still performs the Mass in Latin, and still holds tight to many documents about the life of Yehoshua that have since been debunked as forgeries and what was officially called "Pious Fraud" at the time. This sect holds also to a rigid and conservative interpretation of the bible, even claiming that the Canonic Gospels were actually written by the disciples they were named after. This of course is impossible, since the earlist known Gospel doesn't even appear until the 2nd century CE.
2. Gibson's father, Hutton Gibson, whom he is studiously loath to reveal or talk about in public, is a notorious antisemite, who has written many books (pamphlets?) about the guilt of the Jews for the death of the savior, and about the illegitimacy of the current Papacy. After reading this material (not too much, now, it is, after all, complete crap), watch the movie Conspiracy Theory. It'll make you look at MellyG in a completely new light.
I have no doubt that the plan all along was for Yehoshua to die. People need symbols, and the almighty knows this, but that begs the question of the culpability of God, not the Jews, who were just people of their time. He sent me a different symbol, however, in the Buddha, and thank goodness the Euros didn't get their hands on him and turn his life into one allegory after another about suffering. There is also beauty in the world, and I for one am thankful for it.
Namaste'
Bob
p.s. I am a former Xtian, and might have stayed one, had other Xtians evolved with the rest of creation, as it was intended. As it stands, I cannot worship with other Xtians. I just tagged this on here to let you know that I don't need ministering to, that I am enlightened and happy, and also that I am not a "Christ-baiter." Anytime, under the auspices of religion and spirituality, any human can find piece, the creator is pleased. Me too.
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on March 2, 2004 9:33 AM
It's only a movie? and who cares? if people are perenoid about bible they always avoid it, but when it comes to social life majority say "oh I'm christion ohh I'm a beliver". beliefe DOES NOT come without hearing. Hearing comes and should come from bible. But what if, what if people dont want that bible for many reasons (life, chores, fame, endolged in the ways of this world ) Can you say "who cares its only a movie?" can you?. Not trying to put you down in any way. The whole point behind is can you see the picture, can you see what been done in history for us? It will be sad on the last day of our breath puting ourself in pain and sadness for not accepting the calling, not accepting the point, the fact, the history, this is what happned, and lOOk,, this is how much blood was shed for me. Am'I gona go on in life the way I'M now or am'i gona change. God's hate not as much on the cold or hot .. God's anger is on the warm. It says that in revelation. We are in the end times belive it or not. Those who wana prepare their heart should pay attention to revelation from a spiritual point of view and their is no darkness in his word.
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on March 2, 2004 9:49 AM
Freind. If you found peace its great, not alot of people can get there. I do have to mention if that peace is not closly tied with bible "complete bible" (not "i belive this verse but not believe this verse" )thant that peace is not from above IT is NOT from the Holy Ghost. The devil is not so worried about his captured ones his furious about the church on earth and the true members of that church there is where he spends his time tempting, tourtering and trying to grab someone.. Be stong in your faith, if that peace bring u doupt that it does not corrilate with bible than.. get on gaurd and find true peace in your heart. Devil does not have a sign over his head im evil in this world. His clever and lier.. the only ones that fall under his trap are the weak.. and the ones that put themself as weak not realizing whos waiting for them. If people trying to mess with spiritual world they better stick with the whole bible, they are goign to be very thankfull to HIM that they did that. We will face spiritual world one way or another, its a fact.
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on March 2, 2004 10:47 AM
IF you want to get on the topics of white and black, and you want to get it from bibile point of view I have some quastions for you.
1) Was adam and eve black or white?
2) Who was the first black person in bible, and belive me there is one.
3) That first black person the "cursed" person, what did he do that he got punished by that curse?
4)Israel is sons of Jacob
5)Whos sons are palestinians and arabs? its in the bible my freind
6) If u did alot of digging in the old testament for fact. I have a quastion for you are black people are the sons of Jacob? are they the sons of Abrahams servent ( the one that he slept with and she gave birth to a great nation to just like Sarah)? Do some digging encourge yourself to find out the truth. and u will find the truth about who black people are. I dont hate black people never did. But i believe the truth. We as people have nothing in this world besides Truth, Love, and Forgivnes - The charactor of Christ.
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Posted by deistman (bbob40@comcast.net) on March 2, 2004 1:34 PM
Yes, but you see, I do not believe in a devil. I think men can become their own devils, assuredly, but, since I am not a Christian, I don't believe in all of that. I believe that you do, however, so, for you, I am sure he is real. Please, let's all discuss things on the same level here. We were talking about a movie, and I was trying to make the point that Gibson did not adapt this from one of the gospels, but from the fevered brain of a madwoman in the middle ages. People are reacting to this as if he was sent by the almighty to make this film, and I just wanted to say that I disagree with that contention, and that there are glaring inaccuracies in the film. That Yehoshua was a man of color is indisputable. That Mr. Gibson's color is GREEN is also beyond contestation. Additionally, I can percieve of nothing missing in my life that the Christian faith will provide. If it floats your boat, and you have found peace, then the Creator has blessed you. I have taken the middle way of the Buddha, and the creator has blessed me for it. I see no difference, but I'm sure you do and will have something to say. And that's okay too.
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Posted by deistman (bbob40@comcast.net) on March 2, 2004 1:45 PM
Again, I don't believe in an actual Adam and Eve, so a discussion of their skin color would be merely chin wagging. Since I don't believe in them, how can I have any belief whatsoever in the actions of their children or the consequences of those actions. And, since I don't believe that the Almighty feels any different towards one ethnic group over another, I don't really care what the bible has to say about it.
Anthropologically and archaeologically, time and again, science has shown that the first people on this planet were Africoid in body and face. You can flap that tattered KJV in front of everybody's face, but that doesn't change empirical science for the rest of the world, just for you. If you wish to believe such things, well, live and let live, I say.
On a side note, I am a white man, German of ancestry, and have read dump truck loads of books (including the Bible, which I still read) in my 41 years. That doesn't make me better than anyone else, but to pose the questions you posed just now to an educated man kind of seals off any debate or discussion, which is what a discussion board is supposed to be about.
One last thing, there ARE people who, when they hear "It's in the bible" will always respond "So what?"
I am one of those people.
On second thought, forget I posted. We really don't have anything to say to each other.
Have a nice day.
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on March 3, 2004 11:05 PM
Whats the whole point of beliving any way..
I'm sure Mel had some sort of a point there to why did he decided to make this movie. If beliving in the truth is the way to go then.. alot of quastions arise to your point of view on santa clouse and aliens.
Who cares about believing, whats it for any ways. But, if it is for something, what is it for? If its for salvation of some sort or passage to onther life. than, hmm do i wana spend eternity in antartica or green alien world? or Do I wana spend my eternity where there is no tears worries , stress, bills, sickness etc?..
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on March 3, 2004 11:12 PM
White Xtians always respond with a "What does it matter, etc." and to them I say, it doesn't matter a whit to me, since I am not a Xtian. Paint him green, I don't give a shit. But, please, stop going on and on about the Pope saying "It is as it was." The ........
So u do admire truth can u go further on that?
RE: Mel Gibson and Money
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on March 4, 2004 7:22 AM
I think that if you asked Jesus into your heart and the Holy Spirit is living in you, then this movie would make more sense to you. The whole crow pecking out the eye symbolizes satan. This movie had a lot of demonic forces in it which made it awesome to watch. So many people think that Jesus wasn't tempted, but it shows through out the whole movie that He was tempted just like you and I. The whole Satan and baby thing, I would agree that was weird/freaky but to me that symbolized Satan mocking Jesus and the son of God. Just to encourage you, don't just pick apart the movie as it being stupid, why don't you really think about what these things symbolize instead of mocking everything.
PASSION OF THE CHRIST
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Posted by amanicjo (amannjo@aol.com) on March 4, 2004 7:46 AM
I went and saw this movie this past saturday and i can say that i will never be the same again. to think that a man would die for me and for the whole entire world. i would encourage you to not take life for granted, God sent you here for a reason and you do have a purpose in life. you weren't created to take up space or air, no matter what anyone may tell you. i don't know if any of you knew this but did you notice how Jesus was the only one up there that didn't get his legs broken, which means, when they broke the thiefs legs it made them suffocate, so when they stabbed jesus in the end to see if he was dead, water and blood poured out of Him, that meant that His heart basically just blew up and Jesus died of a broken heart. it also says in the Bible that Jesus didn't have ONE broken bone. now i don't take life for granted and im so excited that i can live for him everyday! i really hope that you enjoy the film and if you have any questions about it you should always ask someone...god bless
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on March 5, 2004 10:04 PM
Yes, I'm sure you know all about the christian religion, and think you can justify the violence in the movie. But you can't. Maybe if you realized that religion was created as something to keep peoples minds off of the problems of reality, you would then realize how badly this movie sucked. It was nothing but a 2 hour gore fest under the guise of being an important religious story. It would be rated NC-17 if it weren't about jesus.
Not totally accurate
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on March 10, 2004 9:25 PM
The movie was as close to being accurate as any I've ever seen but I had 2 problems with it. First off the Bible plainly says that Jesus had no shame and John said that it a shame. (1st CORINTHIANS 11-14)(Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him?) I know all the picture show him with long hair but he said that he left no images of himself behind so actually no one knows what he looks like. I know he didn't have long hair because he had no shame. SECOND. The movie pertrays Mary Magdalene as the woman that then men brought before Jesus for committing adultery and jesus wrote in the said and said (HE WITHOUT SIN, LET HIM FIRST CAST A STONE.)Mary Magdalene wasn't that woman. Mary Magdalene was the woman that had 7 demons in her and Jesus cast them out of her. Other than those 2 I think he went real close to the Bible.
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on March 11, 2004 11:13 AM
You have to be the stupidest person I've ever heard babble on about a topic they dont know jack about....I think my I.Q. has actually dropped from reading your waste of time. Gibson is one of the most brilliant film makers of our time i.e BRAVEHEART, the true story of william wallace. In a movie like this, you need comic releif because the true story of our savior being crucified isnt a light topic to handle. Oh, and another thing, I'd like you to name ONE movie that is exactly precise to its script.....go ahead, I'm waiting.....cant do it? awww...too bad.And apparently you havent heard of another little film tool called symbolism......sound it out.....sym-bolism...very good. 2 gold stars.....The crow pecking the eye of the theif was symbolism of the man being tortured by satan, after turning away from christ. While we're at it, may as well clear up some other things you didnt understand.....the snake that satan offered christ was satan trying to turn christ away from god, and offer him service in hell. Now that we've finished todays esson, I'll letyou get back to being stupid. BYE
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Posted by Bunnie_Rabbot_18 (manic_the_hedgehog_18@yahoo.com) on March 17, 2004 9:30 AM
Gods, how shallow can you get, Shemp? This is pure ludricris what you are saying. As a christian myself what you are saying is pure childish driven bullshit! How can you even say that?? You may think it funny....but when you die, you'll face that man which you are ridaculing, and shaming with your biased comments. And I don't think he'll be too "Passionate" on your poor, sorry ass. >_O What you said, was so prevasive....All of what you have said/posted...it is all pure drivel, my Dear Shemp. So, kiss my ass!
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on April 14, 2004 8:09 PM
About the satan holding a baby. We know that in bible there is three God Son and Holy Spirit. We know that even in Jesus time (his desert temptation days) satan comes in sheep cloths and uses biblical words. It is been said that devil is nothing but a lier, blinder, stealer, killer, etc. To get to the point that baby that satan is holding is the coming of the Antichrist. Those who study bible closly know there will be the antichrist, it wont be the satan himself it will be his chosen one. Devil is a copycat always was in order to still and temp. But he faild, he faild to walk in rightousness. He had no truth in him right from bigining. his a copy cat and the baby is the coming of the antichrist. antichrist will come out from amoung us. Meaning from the so called chistians (just like judas came out to be judas out of the deciples) Thats why it says in bible "not every one of us are Gods". It will be very simmilar to the past. I'm not a future teller, but I do know what it says in bible that God never changed. He doesnt need to change like humans. Its also says in bible that the devil havent changed either. One will stand in Rightiousness for ever the other will fail and fall when his day will come. My opinion that baby simbolizes the coming spirit of the antichrist. Keep in mind devil is a spirit and its says he act and makes his attact through "the sons of opposition" "the cursed ones" "the lost ones" he works through them.