2nd Review: MATRIX REVOLUTIONS

By Wind(up)bird November 4, 2003 9:56 AM

I absolutely loved MATRIX REVOLUTIONS!!! Guess what. it doesn?t give you all the answers, you know why? Because there are no answers, only the questions and the beliefs we have about those answers.In the creation of any religion, the answers are never written out, clearly stated for all to understand. That's one of the basic flaws that skeptics of religion have. I mean, these prophets, didn't they like ask God about the bottom line? And if ya just follow those 10 Commandments, is that enough? I mean, I can chow on Pig right?

In MATRIX REVOLUTIONS, the mysteries of that universe have to be preserved, because the only answers are found in one's own contemplation of what you've seen, experienced and sought to understand. The whole point of GOD isn't to give you the answers, but to give you the strength to attain those answers for yourself. None of us know for sure what ?it? all means, but ya know what? The Wachowski Brothers struck that balance that I loved in the original MATRIX? Here, I give a shit about my characters again. The fights? this time they mean LIFE & DEATH again, not testing programs vs programs, or as a metaphor for whether or not you could ?crack? the ?meaning of the Matrix.? ?This time, characters FIGHT to be reunited with the people they love. They RACE to get back home. They FIGHT desperate last stands to protect a way of life. They fight for the very existence of it all. THAT?S WHAT WAS MISSING LAST TIME FOR ME!!!

This time, the religious, psycho-babble mumbo-jumbo returns to the subtext where it belongs, with characters CARING about what was going on. Being AFRAID of what was next. TERRIFIED about not being in control. And learning the lessons that lead to understanding and life.

Editor: This story or article may not necessarily reflect the Dtheatre crew's opinion. We hold no responsibility for inaccuracies or hoaxes, lack of intelligence or poor writing styles.

Read the Entire Review...

| comments: 55

Reader Discussions:

Post YOUR opinion too!

wha?   reply

Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on November 4, 2003 4:12 PM

There are no answers, because the answers are really questions we ask ourselves, and only deep down can we really answer those questions, whose answers are answers unto themselves, baseless like space, yet infinite like the microverse, questionable from afar, and deeper still with forboding answers that we question, and then inhale, accepting as the one universal truth that has no answers.

Worst review ever.

RE: wha?   reply

Posted by Skullfire (hulacete@ubbi.com) on November 4, 2003 5:06 PM

I believe in God, but not in reviews.

RE: wha?   reply

Posted by Jack (jack@dtheatre.com) on November 5, 2003 11:02 AM

You believe in god? Suckah!

RE: wha?   reply

Posted by Skullfire (hulacete@ubbi.com) on November 5, 2003 3:26 PM

Yes, and it's not Bush's

You guys must be dreaming   reply

Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on November 7, 2003 4:33 AM

There were answers in revolutions. The answer is in the whole series (movies).

Neo is a product of the machine world. He is there to refine the program from the machine world and enhance the Matrix's ability to keep everyone from waking up.

The NEO 6.0 version is more inclined to fall in love (hence when he met those constructs at the train station they knew about love).

Unfortunately in creating NEO, they also created the Smiths. NEO joins with the Over machine, whose subcomponents are the architect, oracle etc etc. Only the Smith's are not components of the machine but free roaming. He dupes the Smiths into infecting Neo giving the Over machine a chance to remove the infection in its core.

Neo is then taken away for further processing. However he is now a part of the Matrix.

One possibility is that when the architect says he has made and destroyed 5 other versions of the Matrix, did the Over machine have the plan in mind. There was a possibility that the Over machine would fail. Hence the Oracle believed that Neo would win. As the Oracle said, it depends on choice.

RE: You guys must be dreaming   reply

Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on November 7, 2003 5:59 AM

It is amazing to me that many people did not understand the story. So, let me explain. Neo is a computer program designed by the original 'NEO' to lie dormant in the program system until it is needed. The program then manifests itself in the consciousness of a clone and thereby Neo is born. Neo can see the machines only when he loses his sight because incidently, he is a higher evolved program himself - adapt to place his complete program in a human. Agent smith only acquires the skills that Neo has by taking over other and absorbing other programs in the matrix. As Neo begins to understand who he is his abilities manifest itself with his self-awareness. This is an easy movie to understand. This is a taste. veruss4@hotmail.com

i'm lost   reply

Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on November 7, 2003 7:00 PM

i just saw the movie on imax today...i got the whole jesus cross thing...but where were the machines taking him...and what was the little girls program..i don't know why she was so important...and so you guys are saying that new made another one of himself? im so lost? i don't get anything? i keep looking for a Q&A website....HELP!

i agree   reply

Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on November 7, 2003 10:39 PM

i agree with the post above me....I need  answers!!!

Neo's Death   reply

Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on November 7, 2003 11:27 PM

I wondered why the machine's dragged Neo away. I mean- sure they're not just gonna let them sit there.. but are they gonna give him a proper burial or something? Then, I thought.. the Matrix isn't gone. Far from it. The peace isn't going to last for very long; it's more than likely that the machines will make the first move. So, my theory is: the machines took him away, to research him, and understand his powers. Therefore, they could make updates to prevent higher powers (or other "The Ones") from rising up to fight for Zion again, and make the Agents just as (or more) powerful. So.. the Matrix is far from an end. The real quiestion is: will they film another? If they do, it'll probably be a prequel.

shame   reply

Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on November 8, 2003 3:32 AM

lost all faith in the trilogy i'm afraid. what a load of pseudo-intellectual religious bullshit. what is the use in an ending if noone knows how/why/what happened!

pointless review   reply

Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on November 8, 2003 6:21 AM

now there was a pointless review defending a mediocre movie!  of course, prophets of religion are cryptic, but let's get serious - the Matrix is not a religion.  There is absolutely no resolution about what the system is and how it works.  I am not even sure how it all ended - who are the others that didn't get out and will now be freed?

2 Questions   reply

Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on November 8, 2003 8:00 AM

Just a couple of unanswered points,
The end of the first matrix happens about 18 months after the beginning (according to the dates appearing on the screen at the beginning and end) At the very end before you see Neo on the phone, the matrix code is shown and has "system failure" in the centre, Neo is then speaking to somebody on the phone and says "I am going to show them what you don't want them to see, and show them a world with out you, a world without control" etc... Anyone would assume this represented the end of the whole trilogy (due to the system failure and Neo supposedly talking to the Machines), but it doesn't add up with Revolutions.
Also in reloaded, how did Bain and whoever it was bring a package from the Oracle into the real world from the Matrx?.

Matrix Revolutions   reply

Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on November 8, 2003 11:22 PM

If NEO is just a clone then how is he able to enter the Matrix without being "jacked" in.  Is he more than just a man in the real world as well.

RE: Matrix Revolutions   reply

Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on November 9, 2003 9:43 AM

NEO HOLDS PART OF A CODE (WHEN GIVEN THE OPTION TO CHOOSE THE DOOR TO REBUILD ZION AND DESTRY THE MATRIX, THIS WOULD OF BEEN THE CODE TO RE-BUILD THE MATRIX, HENCE WHY THE ARCHITECT WANTED HIM TO CHOOSE THIS DOOR). WHEN HE JUMPED INTO AGENT SMITH AT THE END OF THE FIRST MATRIX HE AND AGENT SMITHS CODES WERE BOTH OVERWRITTEN BY EACHOTHERS, HENCE AGENT SMITH BECAME MORE POWERFULL (GAINING THE ABILLITY TO CLONE HIMSELF), AND NEO DEVELOPED SKILLS SUCH AS BEING ABLE TO SENCE MACHINES AND HAVE A CERTAIN CONTROL OVER THEM (THIS IS ALSO HOW HE SEES THEM IN AN ORANGE GLOW).

RE: Matrix Revolutions   reply

Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on November 9, 2003 9:47 AM

SORRY, THIS IS ALSO HOW HE CAN ENTER THE MATRIX WITHOUT BEING JACKED IN, BECAUSE HE GRADUALLY BECAME MORE OF A PROGRAM, IN THE SAME WAY SMITH BECAME MORE HUMAN (CLONING HIMSELF, BECOMMING THE VIRUS HE EARLIER DESCRIBED THE HUMAN RACE AS BEING). AS AS A CAUSE OF THE CODES BEING OVERWRITTEN IN THE MATRIX#1, AS WRITTEN ABOVE.

THE REAL END OF THE TRILOGY   reply

Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on November 9, 2003 10:09 AM

IN THE MATRIX#1 @ THE BEGINNING OF THE FILM THERE IS A TRANSMISSION AND YOU HEAR TRINITY SPEAK, THERE IS ALSO ONE AT THE END BEFORE YOU SEE NEO IN THE PHONE BOX. THERE IS ALSO A MATRIX CODE SAYING SYSTEM FAILURE.
IF YOU CHECK THE DATES ON BOTH TRANMISSIONS THEY ARE ABOUT 18 MONTHS APART, BUT THE FIRST FILM IS ONLY BASED ON A COUPLE OF WEEKS (NEOS HAIR IS STILL SHORT IN THE REAL WORLD AT THE END, AND NEO DOES NOT HAVE THE ABILITY TO SENSE THE MACHINES YET, BUT HE SAYES HE CAN FEEL THEM IN THE PHONE CALL). SO  
THE END OF THE FIRST ONE IS THE END OF THE TRILOGY, NEO (ALTHOUGH HIS BODY HAS DIED IN THE REAL WORLD) IS STILL JACKED INTO THE MATRIX, IN THE SAME WAY IT WAS AT THE BEGINNING OF REVOLUTIONS, THE BODY CANOT LIVE WITHOUT THE MIND, BUT THE MIND CAN LIVE WITHOUT THE BODY. MAYBE HE TAKES CONTROL OF THE MATRIX (WHICH IS WHY IT SAYS SYSTEM FAILURE), HE THEN SAYES "I KNOW YOUR OUT THERE, I CAN FEEL YOU" (HE CAN FEEL THE MACHINES), "I AM GOING TO SHOW THESE PEOPLE WHAT YOU NEVER WANTED THEM TO SEE, A WOLD WITHOUT CONTROL, A WOLRD WITHOUT BOUDARYS", THIS IS THE REAL END OF THE TRILOGY.

THE REAL END OF THE TRILOGY   reply

Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on November 9, 2003 10:30 AM

IN THE MATRIX#1 @ THE BEGINNING OF THE FILM THERE IS A TRANSMISSION AND YOU HEAR TRINITY SPEAK, THERE IS ALSO ONE AT THE END BEFORE YOU SEE NEO IN THE PHONE BOX. THERE IS ALSO A MATRIX CODE SAYING SYSTEM FAILURE.
IF YOU CHECK THE DATES ON BOTH TRANMISSIONS THEY ARE ABOUT 18 MONTHS APART, BUT THE FIRST FILM IS ONLY BASED ON A COUPLE OF WEEKS (NEOS HAIR IS STILL SHORT IN THE REAL WORLD AT THE END, AND NEO DOES NOT HAVE THE ABILITY TO SENSE THE MACHINES YET, BUT HE SAYES HE CAN FEEL THEM IN THE PHONE CALL). SO  
THE END OF THE FIRST ONE IS THE END OF THE TRILOGY, NEO (ALTHOUGH HIS BODY HAS DIED IN THE REAL WORLD) IS STILL JACKED INTO THE MATRIX, IN THE SAME WAY IT WAS AT THE BEGINNING OF REVOLUTIONS, THE BODY CANOT LIVE WITHOUT THE MIND, BUT THE MIND CAN LIVE WITHOUT THE BODY. MAYBE HE TAKES CONTROL OF THE MATRIX (WHICH IS WHY IT SAYS SYSTEM FAILURE), HE THEN SAYES "I KNOW YOUR OUT THERE, I CAN FEEL YOU" (HE CAN FEEL THE MACHINES), "I AM GOING TO SHOW THESE PEOPLE WHAT YOU NEVER WANTED THEM TO SEE, A WOLD WITHOUT CONTROL, A WOLRD WITHOUT BOUDARYS", THIS IS THE REAL END OF THE TRILOGY.

MULTIPLE POSTS   reply

Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on November 9, 2003 10:36 AM

SORRY ABOUT THE POSTS, COMPUTER KEPT HANGING, DIDN'T REALISE THEY WERE ALL BEING SUBMITTED.

No questions....   reply

Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on November 9, 2003 6:15 PM

The answer is Neo and Smith were each other's oppsite.  When Neo was gone, there was no need for Smith.  The "equation" was ballanced.  Therefore, Smith was deleted as he was no longer needed.  

RE: 2 Questions   reply

Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on November 9, 2003 11:17 PM

1. The reason why the system crashes in the first episode of the matrix is because neo is calling or contacting the matrix while being inside the matrix.  The system fails simply because neo is using up the same line.  Its like calling yourself at your own very house on the same line. Thus, a system failure occurs.

2.  The package delivered by bain and Roy Jones jr. was a message from the oracle.  the Message was simply downloaded in the computer chip.  It is similar to a floppy disc or a cd rom.  The message is not the disc but what's downloaded from the disc.

Matrix Revolution Explanation   reply

Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on November 10, 2003 3:06 PM

Does anybody have a straight answer, what happened to Neo who is this little girl that can create sunsets? what happened with smith at the end? I just want to know what happened?

RE: wha?   reply

Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on November 10, 2003 5:08 PM

jack??? u don't believe theres a God???...MOron!

What really happend   reply

Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on November 10, 2003 5:33 PM

I like the theory about that was posted [The real end of the Trilogy(Nov 9 2003)] - I think that was very creative but it still doesnt explain why they didn't just reply that clip or re-inforce That Fact so that people don't get lost as to what happend at the end. Also, why is Neo's body dead? What killed him? Regarding the Achitect - if they distroyed Zion, why did He need to rebuild the Matrix- Why couldnt these issues be included in the ending of Revolutions? If there is an agreement of Peace made between Neo the Machine World at the end of Revolutions, and if the end of Matrix#1 is the End of the trillogy, then why does Neo talk so agressively over the phone when there is supposed to be peace between the two. This should and could have been easily explained at the end of revolutions - there was more than enough time. - pls email me with any further insites you may have . I need answers pls! p_thomas7@yahoo.com

Same dude that posted "Neo's Death"   reply

Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on November 11, 2003 2:47 AM

That "Real End Of Trilogy" theory DOES make sense.. OMG!....wow......... but anywho.. the person above me, no use in complaining about how confused you are because if the Wachowski brothers WANTED the movied to make sense, then it would've made sense. But they didn't want it to, they wanted you to think.. which is something everyone needs to do more of these days. So live with it and be happy the way it is.

P.S.   reply

Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on November 11, 2003 2:50 AM

(Same guy as above) I'm getting REALLY tired of all these people bitching about how much Revolutions disappointed. All the people (but 2) that I know who have seen it have come to ME (just 'cause I saw it on opening day) to bitch and whine about how much they hated Revolutions. If one more person bitches to me about it, I'm gonna tell them how goddamn unappreciative they are and shove my foot up their ass. Can anyone agree with me?

Neo   reply

Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on November 11, 2003 4:13 AM

Morpheus said to neo that there was that the one was born in te matrix when it was first designed and that the oracle prophisised his return.
Humans are not born in the matrix, programs are. I think that neos mind is controlled by a program, the program of the one.
The program needs a Human body inorder to live in the real world as well as the matrx. (smiths program also  overwrites bains mind in revolutions).
This would explain why neo ends up @ the station with the little girl without being plugged in. The path of the one was supposed to end by neo choosing the door that rebuilds zion and the matrix, but he never chose that door. As far as the matrix is concerned, the program is no longer needed, so it is sent to that station, like the little girl was, thie indian said that this was the place form programs that have no use and that his little girls program had no use).
This would also explain how end of the first matrix is the end of all, noes program live on in the matrix, but his body is dead in the real world.

TEMET NOSCET   reply

Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on November 11, 2003 7:36 AM

My friends, the trilogy can be resumed by those two words. These words I wrote in the subject are the beginning and the end. Pure Wiseness (Sabidur?a pura) Saludos! phelipin@hotmail.com

Answer me this...   reply

Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on November 11, 2003 5:33 PM

A few questions?

1) If Neo is a program, how is he able to see without his eyes in the real world? Also, how is he able to feel the presence and destroy machines in the real world? I don?t understand how if the machines created him as a program, they can give him his powers and he can use them outside of the matrix. That?s like saying you have a computer game disc, and you are able to play the game without putting it into your computer.
2) About the ending of the first matrix being the end of the trilogy. I don?t see how this makes sense. Why would Neo be saying this to the machines if peace was just made and if the Architect guaranteed that the humans would be freed from the matrix? Also, in the second Matrix they never said how long it had been since Neo had begun freeing people. Morpheus did say that Neo had freed more minds in the last six months than in the last six years, but how do we know when he started and that he just didn?t free that many minds before these six months?
3) When smith was deleted was everyone else in the matrix that he copied killed as well. I know the Oracle wasn?t and nor was the little girl, or seraph, but these are programs not actual humans. Everyone couldn?t have been killed right? Because how would the machines have been able to start the matrix over again so soon, the machines can?t just create humans that fast. And if the humans (or humans minds rather) that smith did copy over did live, then why didn?t Neo live after Smith was deleted?
4) Do you think it is at all possible that Neo just has supernatural powers, and that the machines didn?t necessarily create him to be a program, but rather they knew which human was the ?One? and could duplicate him again and again?

RE: P.S.   reply

Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on November 11, 2003 10:53 PM

I agree with you totally.  Some people just need to accept the fact that the wachowskis did it a certain way b/c that is how they are.  You can't change it so shut the hell up.

is neo a program?? YES!!!   reply

Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on November 13, 2003 12:07 PM

look at NEO is he human???? he is  a machine(sort of).. how is he able to get in the matrix??? because he has those ports things!!! he isn't 100% human!!! so it is possible that he can feel the machines in the realworld...maybe the program in him is somehome altered which gives hime power in the matrix and real world as well.

maybe a second level?   reply

Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on November 13, 2003 6:25 PM

i think that NEO is a program and everything but Zyon is just a second level of the Matrix.. Morpheus, Trinity and all them just think there awake but there not. That would explain why NEO can feel and see the machines.. because hes still in the Matrix but just the second level. I think NEO should have lived on though and continued to do what his program wa meant to do... freenthe people. Anyway i thought the movie was great the way it was.

same person above   reply

Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on November 13, 2003 6:26 PM

oops.. i emant everything INCLUDING Zyon is a part of the matrix...

same person above   reply

Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on November 13, 2003 6:26 PM

oops.. i emant everything INCLUDING Zyon is a part of the matrix...

Neo's not a program he's the result of an Anomaly   reply

Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on November 13, 2003 6:46 PM

I agree with the person that posted "Answer me This" topic. His questions good and i share the same view. Why is Neo dead? And Neo was not purposly created by the Matrix - the Architect told Neo that his powers in Inherent with the unbalanced equation in the Matrix - Thus any Human being was subject to the possibility of being 'The One'.
Also - Is Neo still alive and how do we know , with try to use that rediculous theory of 'the end of Matrix#1 is the end of the trilogy' because like the person the wrote the topic about "Answer me This", that theory doesnt make sense!

God and Devil   reply

Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on November 14, 2003 4:36 AM

How about this. The Oracle is God and The architect is the Devil. As a refrence point look at the architects dress style and compare it to the devil represented in an old Twilight Zone episode. The "good game you played" refrence is a old theme held true for many years that G and D have used humans as pawns since the beginning, hence its the fifth time neo has been here. Discuss.

Neo's power   reply

Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on November 15, 2003 7:28 AM

Neo chose a different path than the other Neos, and became a higher being.  He gained his powers outside of the matrix in this manner...He is supposed to be like Jesus in this manner...he is a man but with powers outside of heaven.  I'm sure none of you missed the ending where he was taken away by the machines on what appeared to be a cross..thus dying for the human race.  The machines are binary in their thinking.  Morpheus alludes to this several times.   Neo held up his end of the bargain by destroying Smith, so the machines will free the rest of the people in the Matrix as stated by the Architect.  What happens to Neo?  No one knows, but it is my theory that he becomes a program like the Mirovingian...the Mirovingian may even be a prior 'one'....thoughts?

mirovingian being a prior "the one"   reply

Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on November 15, 2003 9:08 PM

I dont think that mirovingian was a prior the one. He may be a the real creator of the matrix before he was repkaced by the architect and put into exile.  Once in exile he was by far the most powerful program so he was able to preside over and control all the other exiled programs.  He doesnt side with the humans as shown when he woould not give up the keymaker.  But he is alsp not loyal to the machines as je was replaced by them and put into exile.  I think that a good ending to rovolutions would have involved Merovingian more.  Since he is loyal neither to the machines or humans,Neo could have somehow "recruited" him and made an alliance that would help Neo defeat the machines.  Neo would entice Merovingian to help him by promising him power (what he used to have more of and what he now most desires) and then betray Merovingian in the end.  This ending would satisfy the majority of viewers who wanted an interesting and conclusive ending with a twist.

Matrix revolution   reply

Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on November 16, 2003 7:09 PM

The creators of the Matrix trilogy are probably laughing at all the hubub as they are the only "ones" that know the "real deal!!"

confused   reply

Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on November 17, 2003 5:38 PM

this writer is confused about religion and the Matrix.  Revolutions needed a screenwriter.  it felt rushed.  too many cliche and cheap lines.  and morpheus took a back seat.  it never answered the dramatic question in the first matrix, that is, is it man or the machine?  because good stories always answer the dramamtic question (though may leave other questions unanswered), i believe Revolutions fails.  symbolism aside, Matix started well in the first episode but needed help in the latter two.  if we allow for symbolism in this critique, Matrix does accomplish a counter-purpose to its plan, mainly, that sycretism in religion is incoherent.

do the creators know?   reply

Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on November 17, 2003 5:47 PM

i don't really think they actually know what they created either.

WILL THERE BE ANOTHER MOVIE?   reply

Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on November 17, 2003 8:11 PM

REVOLUTIONS SEEMED TO LEAVE IT OPEN TO A FOURTH MOVIE WITH THE ENDING.  THE HUMANS IN THE MATRIX STILL DON'T SEEM TO BE FREE AND THE MACHINES WERE CERTAINLY NOT DEFEATED.  THIS PROBABLY MEANS THE BROS WANT TO MAKE ANOTHER MOVIE (AND GET MORE MONEY).  i WOULDN'T BE SURPRISED IF THEY DID IT IN A STAR WARS FASHION AND MADE A PREQUEL(S) TO THE TRILOGY.  WOULD THE CAST OR PAR OF IT RETURN? ......THOUGHTS ON ANOTHER MOVIE?

RE: WILL THERE BE ANOTHER MOVIE?   reply

Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on November 18, 2003 2:24 PM

I think that the only way the Bros can get some redemption from this is trilogy not answering questions is if they do put together a movie that will answer these questions for us. I can understand if they wanted to leave some questions to us to discuss ofver but there is just to many unknowns to enjoy any discussions over. no solid foundation for any argument. what do you think

Matrix is now fiction   reply

Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on November 19, 2003 1:05 AM

Matrix 1 and 2 are without doubt, excellent.
At the end of 2, I didn't expect smith downloading himself into a human body and how it ended so abruptly, very dramatic.
Yet in the last one, why would the machines give up so easily over a simple program, smith?
Couldn't the Architect simply duplicate or create a new matrix and transfer everyone already pluged in  the current matrix into the new one. Thus removing the smith and the one anomoly.
Also, how did Neo destroy robots in the 'real world'? was it supernatural? At first i thought that he was still in the matrix, like it was stated earlier, matrix level 2.
But the Matrix revolutions was predictable
it also left to many questions unanswered, delibrately.

RE: MULTIPLE POSTS   reply

Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on November 19, 2003 11:00 AM

I don't see why anyone thinks that Neo died at the end of Revolutions.  If you watch closely when the machine is carrying off his body at the end, you will see his "light" glowing.  To me, this shows that he is NOT dead.  He is either still linked to the Matrix and/or the machines.  The "light" coming from everything in the machine city represented electricity or power.  How could Neo truly be dead if his body still had power/electricity running through it?

RE: What really happend   reply

Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on November 19, 2003 11:01 AM

I don't see why anyone thinks that Neo died at the end of Revolutions.  If you watch closely when the machine is carrying off his body at the end, you will see his "light" glowing.  To me, this shows that he is NOT dead.  He is either still linked to the Matrix and/or the machines.  The "light" coming from everything in the machine city represented electricity or power.  How could Neo truly be dead if his body still had power/electricity running through it?

RE: mirovingian being a prior   reply

Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on November 20, 2003 5:30 PM

learn to spell

Machines are the good guys   reply

Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on November 20, 2003 5:59 PM

i think the machines are the good guys cuz in the 1st movie morpheus says "we dont know who struck first, us or them." So its possible that "we" struck first.And leaving the machines w/ only one option, to restrain the humans until they prove to them that we are ready for peace. Resulting in the Matrix, a computer generated dream world to KEEP US UNDER CONTROL. Now leading to the path of the One. I believe that every time the Matrix was rebboted the genetic code of the previos One was a program transfered to the next One, and the true purpose of the one was to prove to the machines that the humans are ready for peace. SO W/ THE ONE haveing this program he is basically a machine in the matrix,"Hes a machine"-(Tank) so him falling in love w/ trinity is proving that the machines want peace w/ humans by there enemy loveing a human.This also showed the architect that he dident want to restart the matrix and continue the war , but to end it by not choosing the easy path out. And with the architect seeing that he dosent want to continue fighting but to end it , he proves that humans are ready for peace and thats why the machines just gave up so easily by accepting neos offer to free all the humans from the matrix.It also stats in the animatrix that the machines felt sorry for the humans

guy who posted Machines are the good guys   reply

Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on November 20, 2003 6:05 PM

my post was really directed to the person who posted the one abouve mine, its to try and help his ansewer to "why did the machines give up so easily over a program?-smith"

Matrix Revolution and religion   reply

Posted by s (houstondec2003@hotmail.com) on November 20, 2003 6:51 PM

Was i the only one that realised that the references to christianity were more symbolic than actually leading anyone to any closer to the spiritual truths mentioned in the matrix movies..?

For example,

"Maya"      - Illusion.
"Karma"     - Cause/Effect.
"Sati"      - Sacrifice & Love.
"Cosmology" - Quantam mechanics & Human mind.
"Yoga"      - Meditation.

are fundamental tenets of Hinduism, a 5000 year old philosophy (of which Buddhism is based on.)

No one was the bad guy   reply

Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on November 21, 2003 1:32 PM

Which is why I loved the third one so much. Such satisfaction from seeing peace- if temporary- from the two races. Ever since I watched the Animatrix (an excellent dvd to get, by the way) I've sided mostly with the machines, but neither one was truly innocent or guilty. The humans put down, enslaved, disrespected the robots, even trying to exterminate them from the earth (cool egyptian slave oppression/african american oppression themes here) and so the robots fought back, and with their superior intelligence, logic and durability laid waste and enslaved their former opressors. In a highly bloody and efficient manner, I might add. Both races were fighting for what they believed in, and in doing so destroyed each other (interesting note- look back in your history books: in every single case of violence in history, it has been caused by beliefs. Every single non-natural disaster like terrorism, war, and oppression has been caused by beliefs. Lends a good reason to being an athiest pacifist)
In any case, I'm extremely shocked and hurt that Revolutions got as bad or worse a score than reloaded on many review sites. While its script might have left something to be desired, its ideas and its portrayal of them is as fascinating and gripping as ever. Not to mention that they all look so stylish in their black leather. Heh, I like the part where trin flips over the subway turnstile; cool stuff. Wow I ramble a lot.

Machine's and Smith   reply

Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on November 21, 2003 1:38 PM

Why the machine's were so worried about Smith was kind of obvious. He's nigh invincible and ruthlessly insane. They can't delete him, since he's unplugged, per se, and anyway he inhabits all the humans in the Matrix. Deleted all of him (interesting words) would result in the extinction of the humans still unplugged. Also, once he starts getting out of the Matrix, how long will it be before possessed humans start attacking, or sentinals become more copies of Smith? Smith was out of their league, and if he was allowed to continue he would have destroyed everything on Earth like the virus he is. He even says "the purpose of life is to end" that's how he looks at it. That's his purpose. Besides killig Neo. Neo, the other end of the equation, is the machine's only hope, and since he made it past their defenses, and was so respectful and stalwart in the face of their leader, a temporary peace is made between them and the humans to battle a common enemy.

Doh !! The real answer   reply

Posted by TheEditor (eddie) on November 30, 2003 1:00 PM

Haven't any of you worked this out yet??
Go back to pre-school and think about it. Zion et al is NOT REAL. It's all part of (oh, what was that title again... oh yes) THE MATRIX. The machines won the war. Full stop. They have no reason to share with human. Humans are barreries and that's that!

RE: Neo   reply

Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on December 4, 2003 12:15 PM

The station is part of a conduit between the Machine world and the Matrix.  Sati was being smuggled into the Matrix because she had no purpose in the Machine world and was ready for deletion.  There was nothing said about the station being a place where the little girl was in danger of being "banished" to.

RE: Machines are the good guys   reply

Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on April 21, 2004 9:48 PM

he stupid....tell me how does a machine feel "sorry"? Machines do not have feelings... neo is not a freaking machine..go back to movie  #1 neo is unplugged and has to have is body surgically remastered due to never using his muscles and he also could not see well b/c of just using his eyes for the 1st time...c'mon people...

The way I see it   reply

Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on February 4, 2005 12:35 PM

This is what I make of the matrix and it?s concepts. The actual message can be very different...it?s just how I perceive it :P. enjoy!


1. ABOUT NEO: Neo is not a software. He is a human being, a rather smart computer program hacker whose consciousness roams in the matrix. He is just another trapped human in the matrix who happens to have a superior understanding of the machine?s intelligence. However he is unique in the sense that he is the sample human being the machine has chosen to make conscious choices.

2. THE ARCHITECT: The purpose of the architect is to run a smooth system free of anomalies. He is an artificial entity employed by the machine to maintain harmony that is to make sure the trapped humans keep on dreaming, so that the machine remains powered. The precision inclined view of the architect contradicts with Neo, since neo makes choices based on emotions, not rationality. However, architect is still interested to learn what makes neo make such choices, because he himself is unable to look past any choices, he is only good at balancing the equations of the matrix. So he uses the knowledge that he learns from Neo to make better dreams. Without lifelike dreams, the matrix world would become a nightmare, the inhabitants would kill themselves, and that way machine would lose it?s steady flow of energy. This is why Neo is important to the machine. From Neo the machine tries to learn the usefulness of hope, love and the choices that result from those. This is why at the end, instead of being killed, Neo is consumed by the machine, completely integrating with it. The last five times Neo was created, he did not return to the source, and zyon was destroyed. This time he blended with the machine, evident, as he could not be differentiated from the glowing electricity of the machine at the end of the trilogy. Unlike when he first walked in to meet the Over machine, he was a man of flesh visible as a dark figure against the luminous electricity of the machine. As Neo said to the architect at the end of the reloaded ?If I were you, I?d hope that we would not meet again?, and the architect said, ?we won?t?. We now realize why not.

3. THE FRENCHMAN: The Frenchman Mervengien occupied the position of the architect once. However, he was put to exile by the machine, because with his hedonistic bias, and his obsession with power, he was making the matrix unstable. Being human, he is an example of how absolute power corrupts absolutely. However, he is powerful enough to maintain his presence in the matrix despite his banishment and successful in retaining and manipulating the knowledge of all five previous matrix generations. He is capable of granting refuge to other software in exile, a demonstration of his ability to elude the control of the matrix. Denied of his position, he does not want to help the machine anymore. But he is also not ready to help humans because he thinks he is more deserving than any human to control the matrix. Therefore he refuses to hand over the keymaker to the humans.

4. THE ORACLE: Oracle is also a creation of the machine; she was created to learn the intricacies of human psyche. To interact with humans, she carries the traits of empathy, like all humans, she loves freedom. She wants to see the humans free. She prefers anomalies in the matrix because humans are by nature anomalous. Having human characteristics, a system that conforms to anomalies, not discordant with it, is more natural to her. She always stimulates the humane part of Neo, the candy that she offers to Neo is actually a stimulant that helps neo to make more humane choices. Neo refuses to take the candy later on, and therefore his connections with the machine grows stronger; neo becomes more rational and intent on returning to the source, deeming it the inevitable action to be taken in order to save zyon.

5. SMITH: The machine created Smith as an agent, to block the attempts of the rebels to free matrix inhabitants. After Neo destroyed him, his leftovers was merged with Neo to some extent, this caused him to be free and not a part of the matrix anymore. He gained some abilities including the ability to copy himself etc. A loose cannon, he started to simulate his definition of human behavior, survival through multiplication and consumption of resources, eventually taking over the matrix. Smith believes that the purpose of all things is to end. He grew up on the pessimistic and negative aspects of Neo, promoting chaos. However, his ambition and propensity towards chaos became a natural threat to the machine, since he was now expanding his power in both machine world and the matrix, with an aim to put everything to end.

6. SATI: Software are exiled from the matrix, when they are antiquated or when they choose to explore the matrix to learn new things and to contribute with the things they have learned. Or they can return to the source. Sati the little girl was such a software who with her parents learnt about love from Neo.

7. THE PURPOSE OF THE MACHINE: The triumph of Smith has taught the machine that the dark side of a free consciousness is formidable when combined with the logic and efficiency of machine. Though the introduction of a savior is essential to improve and sustain the quality of dreamworld, it comes with the risk of accidents like Smith, those the machine cannot afford. In this stalemate condition, the machine is skeptic about the transient peace rejoiced by humans. Because it still wants to understand the choices the one makes and how those choices empower him, so that it can prevent such ?the ones? from arising to defend zyon in the future, and can also make superior but controllable agents to cope with such rebels. So the purpose of the machine is to control good and to tame evil, and survive in the process of doing it.

rancidrose at hotmail dot com