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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on September 12, 2001 1:13 PM
i think that holind off on some of the movies,(arnold's) is a good idea, with the state of the world, but I think what "we" need in the near future is something to get us beyond this, film is a great medium for that.
and for the first time in years I give my respect to Hollywood for showing good taste,
which incidentally, if it were to happen again, would be a sign of the apocolypse, and hell would freeze over.
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Posted by 100% AMERICAN (hellskitchen_@hotmail.com) on September 12, 2001 1:20 PM
I just learned that 4 of my pals did not make it out of the towers. I wonder how long it will be until another master mind terrorist plan erupts here in NYC or elsewhere in the USA. Perhaps the Bush Admisistration will end all terrorists defesnse mechanisms ASAP, and put a stop to this. To do that is simple and ferocious. All terrorists are either hidden or funded by countries around the world. We must make it very clear that any country or organization with ties of any kind to a terrorist group, will be destroyed(murdered, killed, whatever you want to call it). We will give Afghanistan 12 hours to hand over Osama Bin Laden and 100 of his highest ranking men, or we will completley destroy Afghanistan. That's it. Simple. Effective. A lesson for any country that supports these groups.
If China, Russia, and the other powers to be are smart, they will back us, if not, I don't give a rats ass!
Those FUKERS are going down.
If you want to argue with me, fine. E-mail me.
There's a quote from "Animal House": "Don't get mad, get even". Well, EVEN ain't gonna do it.
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on September 12, 2001 1:46 PM
Got this one at work today. We should appreciate this one, from a Canadian newspaper. Worth sharing.
TRIBUTE TO THE UNITED STATES
America: The Good Neighbor.
Widespread but only partial news coverage was given recently to a remarkable editorial broadcast from Toronto by Gordon Sinclair, a Canadian television commentator. What follows is the full text of his trenchant remarks as printed in the Congressional Record:?
This Canadian thinks it is time to speak up for the Americans as the most generous and possibly the least appreciated people on all the earth. Germany, Japan and, to a lesser extent, Britain and Italy were lifted out of the debris of war by the Americans who poured in billions of dollars and forgave other billions in debts. None of these countries is
Today paying even the interest on its remaining debts to the United States. When France was in danger of collapsing in 1956, it was the Americans who propped it up, and their reward was to be insulted and swindled on the streets of Paris. I was there. I saw it. When earthquakes hit distant cities, it is the United States that hurries in to help. This spring, 59 American communities were flattened by tornadoes. Nobody helped. The Marshall Plan and the Truman Policy pumped billions of dollars into discouraged countries. Now newspapers in those countries are writing about the decadent, warmongering Americans. I?d like to see just one of those countries that is gloating over the erosion of the United States dollar build its own airplane. Does any other country in the world have a plane to equal the Boeing Jumbo Jet, the Lockheed Tri-Star, or the Douglas DC10? If so, why don?t they fly them? Why do all the International lines except Russia fly American Planes? Why does no other land on earth even consider putting a man or woman on the moon? You talk about Japanese technocracy, and you get radios. You talk about German technocracy, and you get automobiles. You talk about American technocracy, and you find men on the moon- not once, but several times-and safely home again. You talk about scandals, and the Americans put theirs right in the store window for everybody to look at. Even their draft-dodgers are not pursued and hounded. They are here on our streets, and most of them, unless they are breaking Canadian laws, are getting American dollars from ma and pa at home to spend here. When the railways of France, Germany and India were breaking down through age, it was the Americans who rebuilt them. When the Pennsylvania Railroad and the New York Central went broke, nobody loaned them an old caboose. Both are still broke. I can name you 5,000 times when the Americans raced to the help of other people in trouble. Can you name me even one time when someone else raced to the Americans in trouble? I don?t think there was outside help even during the San Francisco earthquake. Our neighbors have faced it alone, and I?m one Canadian who is damned tired of hearing them get kicked around. They will come out of this thing with their flag high. And when they do, they are entitled to thumb their nose at the lands that are gloating over their present troubles. I hope Canada is not one of those.? Stand proud, America!
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Posted by FredHater (fred_hater@hotmail.com) on September 12, 2001 2:02 PM
Nice, but it was written in 1973 by Gordon Sincalire, in response to the international criticism of the USA after we pulled out of Vietnam.
However, the words ring true today, how soon the world forgets that the glue that holds this world together is red, white and blue.
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Posted by 100% AMERICAN (hellskitchen_@hotmail.com) on September 13, 2001 5:31 AM
Well put, however if we are to scare anyone in the world from helping the terrorists, it must be on an all new level. Our bombardment of Japan will seem faint compared to the punishment we will deliver to those that must be made an example of. Without their defense, terrorists will be left in the open, and will be easily dealt with throughout the world, or we can do nothing more than a little missle attack, and terrorism will continue to strive. All we can do, is wait and see.
- With liberty and justice for all
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on September 13, 2001 10:12 AM
Good quote from a classic movie. Some humor is good right about now. Hey 100%, I too am sorry for your loss, and everyone else who died or lost a loved one thanks to these "folks". Your right man, we gotta make the world see, from Ireland to the Balkans, that it does not pay to be assocciated with Terrorists. I don't think its enough to obliterate Afghanistan, we should also destroy Iraq for good measure.
- Union Jackie
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Posted by allknowing (you'llneverfindme.com) on September 13, 2001 1:13 PM
I as well lost friends, and my cousin in that...
I can't even put it in words, I feel angry and helpless, I send my regrets to you 100%, lets just hope that don't have to find out if the rest of us are 100% american too.. I've had enough reality this week, good luck out there 100, hell's kitchen just got a little bit closer to everyone
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on September 13, 2001 3:23 PM
You bigot. I'm just displaying a point of view. For one, its a calculated guess as whether he did it or not, but if he did, I have no problems about executing him. I just hope that they find the right targets. There are people in Afghanistan who are opposed to the dictatorship rule there, and I am sure that we as Americans will help them end that dictatorship. But let's not get this carried away and start killing everyone there. Then we'd be just like the terrorists. Remember that.
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on September 13, 2001 3:51 PM
Listen Moron, try reading some of these posts. The reason for destroying all of Afghanistan including the good and the evil is to show the world over what will happen to those who fund, protect, hide, or have any relationship to terrorists. If we do nothing more than kill a few assassins, then terrorism will only continue. The reason we and everyone else have been unable to kill them in the last 10 years is because we cannot get to them. Various countries protect them. Do you think these countries will continue to protect them when an example is made of Afghanistan, of course not, they don't want to be destroyed. Hence the end of terrorism, with no place to hide they will all be vanquished, and the entire planet that much closer to peace. Or we could do it your way: only punish those who commited the crime, in the mean time Afghanistan will continue to let these scum train in their back yard, and protect them from the hundreds of countries that want to get them for their murdering actions. Listen, sorry I called you a moron, obviously you don't understand whats going on. This is much bigger than just bin Laden, we already want him for the murder of our Marines in 93', which he admited to doing, but still the Taliban refuses to give him up, they are as bad as he is. It is a horrible thing to annhilate an entire country, but it must be done. It's for the good of the entire planet. If we do not do it, then you should expect this type of terrorism to occur at a much greater rate all over the world. It must be stopped now, this is the best and most effective way.
- Jimmy
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Posted by Error11 (No Email) on September 13, 2001 8:14 PM
About the story: There is a scene in the upcoming Spiderman movie where the Green Goblin fires several blast at a New York Hotel and large parts of the buiding fall on people and police cars. The movie won't be out until summer, but it would be a shame if Hollywood were to be over sensitive and cut scenes like this from big motion pictures. Now, "timely release" is the operative phrase here.
In another light; building explosions and falling concrete in a movie has never appeared as devistating as the real thing, [unfortunatley we know that now]. So I suspect that the producers of Collateral Damage did not really put the film on hold in "good taste", I think the Hollywood bastards just want to rework the smoke cloud special effects of the opening sequence.
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Posted by jackcool (silentnolonger) on September 14, 2001 6:55 PM
I have been reading this for awhile. To all our American friends, Our thoughts and prayers are with you. KEEP THE FAITH.
Subject: Miami Herald Article
Published Wednesday, September 12, 2001
We'll go forward from this moment
Article from Miami Herald by Leonard Pitts
It's my job to have something to say. They pay me to provide words that
help make sense of that which troubles the American soul. But in this moment
of airless shock when hot tears sting disbelieving eyes, the only thing I can
find to say, the only words that seem to fit, must be addressed to the
unknown author of this suffering.
You monster. You beast. You unspeakable bastard.
What lesson did you hope to teach us by your coward's attack on our World Trade Center, our Pentagon, us? What was it you hoped we would learn? Whatever it was, please know that you failed. Did you want us to respect your cause? You just damned your cause. Did you want to make us fear? You just steeled our resolve. Did you want to tear us apart? You just brought us together.
Let me tell you about my people. We are a vast and quarrelsome family, a family rent by racial, social, political and class division, but a family nonetheless. We're frivolous, yes, capable of expending tremendous emotional energy on pop
cultural minutiae -- a singer's revealing dress, a ball team's misfortune, a
cartoon mouse.
We're wealthy, too, spoiled by the ready availability of trinkets and material goods, and maybe because of that, we walk through life with a certain sense of blithe entitlement. We are fundamentally decent, though -- peace-loving and compassionate. We struggle to know the right thing and to do it. And we are, the overwhelming majority of us, people of faith, believers in a just and loving God. Some people -- you, perhaps -- think that any or all of this makes us weak. You're mistaken. We are not weak. Indeed, we are strong in ways that cannot be measured by arsenals.
Yes, we're in pain now. We are in mourning and we are in shock. We're still
grappling with the unreality of the awful thing you did, still working to make
ourselves understand that this isn't a special effect from some Hollywood
blockbuster, isn't the plot development from a Tom Clancy novel. Both in terms of the awful scope of their ambition and the probable final death toll, your attacks are likely to go down as the worst acts of terrorism in the history of the United States and, probably, the history of the world.
You've bloodied us as we have never been bloodied before. But there's a gulf
of difference between making us bloody and making us fall. This is the lesson Japan was taught to its bitter sorrow the last time anyone hit us this hard, the last time anyone brought us such abrupt and monumental pain. When roused, we are righteous in our outrage, terrible in our force.
When provoked by this level of barbarism, we will bear any suffering, pay
any cost, go to any length, in the pursuit of justice. I tell you this without
fear of contradiction. I know my people, as you, I think, do not. What I know reassures me.
It also causes me to tremble with dread of the future. In the days to come, there will be recrimination and accusation, fingers pointing to determine whose failure allowed this to happen and what can be done to prevent it from happening again. There will be heightened security, misguided talk of revoking basic freedoms. We'll go forward from this moment sobered, chastened, sad. But determined, too. Unimaginably determined.
You see, the steel in us is not always readily apparent. That aspect of our character is seldom understood by people who don't know us well. On this day, the family's bickering is put on hold. As Americans we will weep, as Americans we will mourn, and as Americans, we will rise in defense of all that we cherish.
So I ask again:
What was it you hoped to teach us? It occurs to me that maybe you just wanted us to know the depths of your hatred. If that's the case, consider the message received. And take this message in exchange: You don't know my people. You don't know what we're capable of. You don't know what you just started.
But you're about to learn.
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on September 16, 2001 4:07 PM
Are you out of your mind? Using nuclear weapons? Do you have any sense of the geography of the world? Check a globe or map and look at Afghanistan's neighbors. Check out how many of them have nuclear warheads of their own. Do you realize the fall-out from the nuclear blasts would reach their neighbors, coincidentally countries that are supporting our future actions against terrorism. Do you realize that this sort of escalation would most certainly lead to an apocolyptic end of the world.
I'm all for a conventional weapon solution to this, but before we start WWIII, we need to get our facts straight and target the right people, so that we are not again perceived as terrorists ourselves.
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Posted by Pauleywog (pauleywog@home.com) on September 17, 2001 8:07 AM
I think the U.S. needs to concentrate on exactly how they are going to deal with those responsible if and when we get ahold of them. Execution is too good for them. They are already willing to die for their cause so we need to keep them alive and just torture the HELL out of them for the rest of their natural lives. One method that comes to mind is to start by breaking all of their fingers, one by one. Break the first finger and just when they are about done reeling from the pain, crack another one.....and so on. When all of their bones are broken, I say we skin them alive and make some terrorist lamp shades and auction them off to raise money for the families directly affected by this tragedy. This may sound vicious and savage, but it might make future terrorists think twice before doing anything like this again ANYWHERE. Let's make an example out of these people!!!!!
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Posted by Pauleywog (pauleywog@home.com) on September 17, 2001 8:14 AM
First of all, you're an idiot. Second, Timothy McVeigh was not a fugitive being harbored by our country. He was a criminal being prosecuted for a crime commited that affected our own people. I don't like violence either, but look at where being non-violent has gotten us so far. We need to start kicking some rear ends....AND HARD!!!!!
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on December 9, 2001 11:43 PM
You Americans are stupid. When are you going to realise that it was you who started this war not Bin Laden not the Taliban, YOU!! Im not American or Muslim, far from it. I just know that from the beginning the kind of bullsh*t your country's government has been doing to other countries. Of course you ignorant Yanks dont know (or dont care), the governemnt has been hand feeding you their supremacist and so called "justice talk" to you all your sheltered lives. How many non-Americans has your country killed throughout history? Do u know? Do u care? America only help countries when there is something in it for them. Otherwise they dont give a f*ck! This plan to wipe out terrorism for good is a crock of sh*t. bush couldnt care about the terrorsism anywhere else but in USA. When approached and asked if he was going to ward off terrorism in 3rd world countries such as India and other sub-continental nations he said NO! Why because, USA have no interest there and they are not a threat to USA. George W Bush and your country to outsiders seems like the Anti-christ. Im Christian and I dont believe that what USA is doing is right... I dont believe that what Bin laden did was right. But do you even know how many innocent people and children have been killed because of Americas attacks? I doubt it. Why? Well because as usual USA like to control evrything, not only what their country know but what the rest of the wolrd should know. Can anyone say "propaganda".!!? Its clear in what Bush said "If your not with us you are agaisnt us" Although he chooses his words a little better it doesnt fool us, the rest of the world. Why should we be against you if we dont want to fight a battle u got yourself into... It has no interest or benefit to us. We shouldnt have to make that choice and USA shouldnt threaten or intimidate the rest of the world that way. Who do you Americans think you are, Supreme race? f*cking Nazi's? please wake up and smell the Brazilian coffee... theres a whole world outside America.
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Posted by 100% AMERICAN (hellskitchen_@hotmail.com) on September 19, 2001 4:49 PM
What part of Tiny's post did you not understand. No one will help the IRA or any terrorist group anywhere in the world when they see how the absolute majority of super powers reacts to it. This will be an on going chain, world wide. Would you harbour an organization, if it meant the complete destruction of your home, as well as the horror of realizing that every item you require from outside sources has been shut down for you?
Some posters have deemed it feasible to the launch of WW3, of course when you look at the parties involved it really could not be thought of as a world war. The vast majority of the world despises terrorism and has already joined our side. No terrorist group will stand a chance once an example has been made.