Downey Jr.&nbsp;Gets Busted Yet Again

Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on November 26, 2000 8:33 PM

Looser

Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on November 26, 2000 8:47 PM

Spell much?

Robert Downey is a gifted actor with a serious problem. Put yourself in his shoes. He's clearly in trouble. That's sad. Calling him a "looser" is cruel and inhuman. Glad you're not my friend.

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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on November 26, 2000 10:13 PM

I believe the only thing that will set him free is an encounter with Jesus Christ,because He is our deliver."You shall know the truth and the truth shall set you FREE.

Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on November 26, 2000 10:54 PM

Oh, please. Robert needs to find himself, not Jesus. Mr. Downey is attempting to blot out the sublimated rage that churns inside him. With all due respect to the above poster, Mr. Downey needs to love himself, not Christ. And he needs 10 to 20 years with an amazing therapist, not prison.

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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on November 26, 2000 11:00 PM

Jesus may save, but Downey will score on the rebound.

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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on November 27, 2000 5:56 AM

Hey did you see Robert in "Back to School" with Rodney Dangerfield. It was sweet. So why don't you all (those who who made comments above) go and fuck yourselves.

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Posted by shiva769 (shiva@fake.com) on November 27, 2000 7:28 AM

I agree with you. Having been an addict for 15 years myself, the only person who could help me was me. Now it's been almost 5 years since I've used anything and I am so happy. If it wasn't for the love and support of my friends and family, I wouldn't have made it.
Robert Downey Jr. has a disease and needs help. As long as he helps himself, his friends will most likely chip in and help. He's a talented actor who I enjoy watching on TV and the big screen. I hope he can figure out waht to do and can try to put his disease into remission.

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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on November 27, 2000 7:29 AM

I just love it when inbreeding proves why it's supposed to be illegal. If you have nothing better than that to offer the conversation, then why don't you go fuck yourself.

I agreee with the three earlier comments...
1. Robert needs Christ in his life
2. he needs to love himself
3. He needs counselling, not prison.

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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on November 27, 2000 7:51 AM

it's funny you're using the words "Christ" and "fucking yourself" in the same post.

downey needs help. I'm not totally sure whether he should or should not go to jail, but he sure as hell isn't doing too well as a "free man". The state keeps giving him another chance, and he manages to fuck it up somehow. Yeah he needs treatment, but he has to want help if it's going to be successful. I just hope he gets help before his number gets drawn.

Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on November 27, 2000 8:39 AM

whats with these people? if the average person off the street was to get busted, he wouldnt get as many chances. seemes to me hes a waste of sperm!

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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on November 27, 2000 10:47 AM

He is A great actor athough he has this problem.

Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on November 27, 2000 12:24 PM

You are absolutely right! I have witnessed many miracles in the form of clean lives because of a simple commitment to Jesus Christ!

Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on November 27, 2000 12:51 PM

u guys are all psychos

Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on November 27, 2000 1:12 PM

Holy Poo. What really scares me is not what has happened to Downey or the circumstance he is in... but rather the people who are taking this ordeal so heatedly and seriously (aka the posters).

Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on November 27, 2000 1:19 PM

Downey wants back in jail because misses picking up the soap so much.

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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on November 27, 2000 1:21 PM

Do you think Downey is giver or a taker in the slammer?

Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on November 27, 2000 1:29 PM

Impressive use of BOLD lettering. It makes it very scary to read. Why don't you take the cane that Downey used in "Chaplin" and slide it up into your anus.

Oh yeah, blow me!

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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on November 27, 2000 1:29 PM

I think he's a FELCHER

Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on November 27, 2000 1:46 PM

I think everyone is missing the big picture. You talk about Jesus, and finding new meaning to life. The big picture is that Downey is God. He is a thespian in the highest degree. From "Johnny Be Bad" to "Air America" from "Heart & Souls" to "The Pick-Up Artist" Downey has proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that he is an American Icon. He is the American dream. He is what every young actor wants to be. I know several people that would suck a fat cock just to be in his shoes for a second, and as God as my witness he will never go hungry again.

Oh yeah, why don't you all go and fuck yourselves you pathetic bunch of virus breeders.

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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on November 27, 2000 1:52 PM

If all of you are so fired up about Downey Jr. ( whom I personally like as an actor.) and his drug habit, why don't any or all of you do something about it. Write him a letter, tell him what you think, instead of wasting your time sitting at the computer making up nasty comments about other people.

Better yet, get out there and help those addicts that are in your own neighborhoods and help to stop further addiction. Push for laws that YOU believe will help stop it. Be it legalizing drugs or imposition of stronger penalties, whatever. Just do something.

I am involved! I am trying to make things better! What about you?

Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on November 27, 2000 2:20 PM

maybe his buddy Mel Gibson will plead his case one more time....

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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on November 27, 2000 3:11 PM

I get it. Irony!

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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on November 27, 2000 9:43 PM

It is highly irresponsible to suggest that a simple belief in Jesus will help Robert Downey. That is called "magical thinking." You, my friend, are a magical thinker. You have offered nothing constructive to help this poor guy. Just something ignorant. Downey is in danger of losing his grip on reality through drug-use. It is not a battle with the devil; it is a battle with addiction.

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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on November 27, 2000 9:45 PM

Great point. You're right.

Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on November 27, 2000 10:25 PM

First off, to those who love to cuss and act big with the 'f' words, seems to me you are in need of Jesus Christ yourself. Secondly, Downey is not God, but a talented actor who had alot of kids look up to him.
I actually got on to try and find where to write him at and I saw these obscene posts except for the few that wanted to help Downey out and you may say only yourself can help yourself but that is a lie. Only God can change someone who is so addicted that he can't stay sober even after living in jail.
I agree with the person who wrote why not get off your tails and do something for others instead of sit back and swear at them and judge them like you are a god, because you surely aren't. There is only one true living God and that is Jesus Christ. Try reading the Holy Bible sometime. It is the best selling book of all time. In the meantime, I will remember all these posts and keep praying for lost souls.

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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on November 28, 2000 6:10 AM

The only thing that you should pray for is that I don't slide my cack down your throat while your sleeping.

You can email downey at
Iwanttogodowneyonrobert@hotmail.biblethumper.cum

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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on November 28, 2000 7:16 AM

Well let's see

loose (ls)
adj. loos?er, loos?est.
1. Not fastened, restrained, or contained: loose bricks.
2. Not taut, fixed, or rigid: a loose anchor line; a loose chair leg.
3. Free from confinement or imprisonment; unfettered: criminals who were loose in the neighborhood; dogs that are loose on the streets.
4. Not tight-fitting or tightly fitted: loose shoes.
5. Not bound, bundled, stapled, or gathered together: loose papers.
6. Not compact or dense in arrangement or structure: loose gravel.
7. Lacking a sense of restraint or responsibility; idle: loose talk.
8. Lacking conventional moral restraint in sexual behavior.
9. Not literal or exact: a loose translation.
10. Characterized by a free movement of fluids in the body: a loose cough; loose bowels.

So which one were you thinking of?

Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on November 28, 2000 10:57 AM

Everyone here is missing the point. First, Downey sucks as an actor.
Second, Downey hasn't been in a good movie for at least a decade, maybe more.
Third, I heard Downey sucked some guy off just to buy coke. What a faggot! He should be committed and then shot. Or shot and committed, whatever, he sucks!

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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on November 28, 2000 12:58 PM

If he wants to do drugs let him do drugs, some people just really enjoy getting wasted, and he is obviously one of them so the police should just lay off, cuz hes probably not gonna stop

Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on November 28, 2000 1:10 PM

Your right a simple BELIEF in Jesus won't help. But a RELATIONSHIP with Him will.

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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on November 28, 2000 2:04 PM

First of all, all of you are being immature for the way you are all talking to each other, these are opinions for helping. I have lost 2 really great friends to drugs and have a brother with the problem. It is a disease. A disease and an addiction. This is a serious disease not to be taken lightly. Had any of you gone through losing friends or family to drugs you would see the seriousness too. As to sucking someone off that is really his business and shows (if it is true) the extent of his illness. Good luck Robert is my suggestion. And keep fighting the urge, you CAN and WILL conquer.

8======o reply

Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on November 28, 2000 2:56 PM

suck my cock jesus lover.

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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on November 28, 2000 3:24 PM

Let's see, Jesus Christ..... hmmmmmmm, interesting concept, but you know he is a figment of your imagination. There never was and never will be a son of God. And as for God helping with anyone's problems, where was he when Luther King, Kennedy, and other leaders died for no known purpose? God is not the end all and be all of existence. You don't have to go to church to be a good person. And a simple belief in God or a god cannot and will not cure the world's problems. Only people can. If there is a God, I believe that THAT is what he wants. If there isn't, it's up to us anyway, isn't it?

Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on November 28, 2000 3:27 PM

hehehe

Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on November 28, 2000 3:52 PM

You must be a guy. Sperm don't mean nuthin' without an egg.

Speaking of sex. Downey, Jr., even with his apparent drug problem, is still a very sexy man. Whom ever said that he needs therapy is right!

Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on November 28, 2000 3:54 PM

You also can't spell.

Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on November 28, 2000 4:02 PM

Thank you. But my Doctor says that I am not crazy.

Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on November 28, 2000 4:25 PM

Who's taking it seriously? Not me. I just like a really really good juicy discussion. That's the way you learn stuff. Listening and responding to other people's points of view. And it doesn't matter what the subject. So, :-

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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on November 28, 2000 4:35 PM

Let's legalize drugs! Like Liquor! Then the Government can TAX it! It would put the Drug Dealers out of work, the IRS would get more money, the Social Security System would get more money and the industry could be sued for rehabilitation costs just like the tobacco industry was sued for medical costs.
Prohibition didn't work and neither does the "War on Drugs!" campaign. If people want drugs then let them go to the drug store and buy some.

Drug Store, do you suppose that they really sell drugs there?

Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on November 28, 2000 5:25 PM

That is magical thinking.

Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on November 28, 2000 5:41 PM

If this is you: good luck from the bottom of my heart. What you've given on the screen is quantifiable -- I see it and it has meaning. It's up there. You're a good person. You've given me somthing that enriched my life. Be youself. Love yourself. Beyond your parents. Addiction is in your blood, okay. You've got to want to change. Until you're ready to do that I just ask one simple thing: be good to yourself. Can you do that for me?

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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on November 28, 2000 11:23 PM

What is really going on here? Robert Downey, a gifted man, is trying to destroy himself. Again and again. But why would a 35 year-old man at the top of his game want to destroy it all? Because he's under too much pressure and because there is deep, unresolved anger. I saw him on ALLY McBEAL the other night and it's plain as day he knows he's on a pop-crap TV show. I'm sure he's happy to have the paycheck, but he knows he's better than it (so is Calista Flockhart). We say, why is he doing that piece of crap? Well, for the same reasons you and I take a job. We need the money. We forget that actors are human beings with the same needs and desires and problems as the rest of us. And yet, we dehumanize them. Just look at these posts. We slander them, sling crap at them. Christ. No wonder he has a drug problem. You people don't understand how dedicated most of these actors are, how hard it is to achieve what they achieve. They take years of rejection and create careers out of it. But it's so hard on the mind that often the body cracks under the strain. This is what's happening to Downey. I respect him and I'm pulling for him.

Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on November 29, 2000 1:04 AM

look you jesus freak what Downey needs is to find Buddha...is that better? Or better yet, Downey needs to find Hare Krishna because the Good KARMA shall set you free!

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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on November 29, 2000 1:12 AM

why the judeo-christian god? why not Zen Buddhism, Zoroastrianism, Shintoism, Hinduism, Taoism, Islam, Confucianism, or Satanism. Or better yet, why not become atheist? (Maybe agnostic?)

What if your one god out of many is a women?

Downey was set up; he was framed!!!!!!!!!!

he needs to be in the carring environment of what is Amsterdam.....that is.........rehabilitation, not incarceration!!!!!!

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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on November 29, 2000 12:04 PM

Jesus.Jesus.Jesus.Jesus CHRIST!!!!stop it all of you.You know by continually responding to this "believer" your just giving him more weight,ignore the false idolizer.And try to refrain from using childish curse words,save it for a chat line.Have a bit of class.And as for YOU you shouldnt be touting your beliefs on anyone.If your religion is so powerful than you shouldnt have to go around convincing people.Shoving it down peoples throats is offensive,more offensive than any curse word could EVER be.And Jesus...well as far as I am concerned he was JUST a guy(in the immortal words of George Carlin)He may have been the son of God,or not but the chances are he was just a guy.Recruiting is for the Army,not for God.So can it.If christianity wasnt so corrupt and peppered with lies more people might believe what you have to say,but honestly save for your church group.And if you had done any research into Jesus you would know that His scriptures(whether they are authentic or not) state clearly that God is everywhere not is some building where your asked to make donations.If God is everywhere then open your heart,shut your mouth,and spread the love.Not THE WORDS OF JESUS.Live YOUR life not his.I'm sure the GUY would have wanted that.And as for Mr.Downey well I'm not quite sure what is best for him but it seems to me that he's really pissing his life away.It's such a shame,he is an incredible talent.It seems he is aware of his problem,so that's a good start as for kicking his habits well whether he becomes a jesus-freak or whatever to kick that habit that choice is his and if any of them work well hey!good on ya!!!Just get your shit together boy!
OOOOps I swore , sorry.
And just to let anyone know who may respond to this with childish wit,get a life.I won't be responding to any childishly engaging banter,I've got a life.I suggest you get one too.And try MAYBE to stick to the subject rather than
going off in kindergarten rants.If not,SHUT UP then.And no I'm not a satanist,mr.I believe in Jesus so much I can't SHUT UP.Do us a favor.shut up.
and if not,if it's all true about God and all the fire and brimstone,SEE YOU IN HELL.
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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on November 29, 2000 12:10 PM

YA know I must say I agree with you.But try doing it with a real Live human being rather than a computer.Go out.Get out of the house.Lord knows I need to.See ya around.....

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Posted by Jack (jack@dtheatre.com) on November 29, 2000 12:41 PM

No no no.. Don't get out of the house.. do it on the internet.. that's what being a geek is all about..

That and we need the traffic.. lol

Posted by Dreamer (ActorWannaBe@ToDream.com) on November 29, 2000 1:53 PM

Okay, For all you Downey and Jesus BASHERS, BUZZ-OFF! First of all Robert Downey Jr. is a Highly Talented ACTOR. An ACTOR is an ordinary Human being, who let their talent be known to the public. (you try that for once). Like all of us PROBLEMS are fallen on us, whatever they may be, how little or huge they are. We all experience them. The fact that Downey has his problems shouldn't matter, Since You or I or the guy passing us on the street could have the same problems. You should NOT trigger the famous for making a mistake if you yourself makes mistakes. For All You Jesus BASHERS, a persons belief should NOT be of you concerd or be something to argue about. If someones personal belief helps them to get on with the day, rather than falling into drugs, then it should be respected.

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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on November 29, 2000 7:25 PM

Exactly! And I believe that those who believe in Jesus Christ should keep there comments to themselves.

Personally, I find it extremely offensive to have other peoples religious beliefs shoved in my face every time there is a problem.

Believe in whomever you want to, but DON'T shove your beliegs in my face! Don't tell ME how to run MY life. After all only I am responsible for what I say and what I do.

BTW, Downey, Jr. IS a human being just like the rest of us. I only hope that he can find his OWN way out of whatever hell he is in.

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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on November 29, 2000 7:27 PM

Thank you for the response, however, this is not he.

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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on November 29, 2000 7:44 PM

Very true.

But why are we taking the comments made on this page so very seriously. I know that I have taken several comments very seriously. It is just human nature, I suppose.

Perhaps, we all need to sit back and look at what has been said, written here. And then we need to realize that it doesn't matter for a hill of beens. Nothing that we say here is going to change anyone else. It's too much.

Name calling and deity bashing. Have we lost so much that we can not respect other people? Or is it just that the shroud of anonymity that we have on the computer enables us to be what we think we want to be?

And finally, as Indiana Jones said "See you in hell!" Have a nice day!

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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on November 29, 2000 7:48 PM

If 2000-11-29 12:04:44 comment wasn't hypocrisy at its best, I don't know what.

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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on November 29, 2000 7:52 PM

I fully apologize to all of the other people on this page for what I am about to do. However, to the above poster who told me to get a life, " ,,|,, !"

My life is just fine. Family, friends, pets, the whole nine yards.

BTW, that pot of beans I had yesterday DID cause me to spend ALOT of time alone. :-)

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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on November 29, 2000 8:00 PM

And I am damn proud of being a geek too! :-

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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on November 29, 2000 8:12 PM

I agree totally. He is a man suffering a deadly disease and needs some serious help. The disease of addiction kills.

kindergarten rant reply

Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on November 29, 2000 8:23 PM

First of all, in the beginning you say not to respond to this "believer.", as if he or she is tainted. Then you call this person a false idolizer. Then you say that "whether he becomes a jesus-freak or whatever" as if that is somehow a sickness. But in the end YOU say that you "believe in Jesus so much (you) can't SHUT UP." So, tell me, which is it?

Secondly, you are the one that went off on the "rant."

And finally, apologizing for swearing when you said in the beginning that we shouldn't swear here is "childish."

"Kindergartners" don't go off on these types of "rants", just us wacko adults.

Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on November 29, 2000 8:30 PM

If you had actually read the post saying that we should help others, you would notice that they never mentioned God! They also never used the phrase "get off your ass."

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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on November 30, 2000 5:22 PM

So who are you, then? Robert Downey or a Random Shemp? It's time for you to deal with that, I think. My hope is that you remember who you are and that you have so much to give that will be lost if you stop caring.

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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on November 30, 2000 11:38 PM

hypocrisy like contradiction is just the reality of being human.
I honestly just got tired of the abuse from both sides.
Also, I never wanted to offend the so-called geeks.Your not.I was just saying that FRESH AIR is a good thing.Meaning that I needed to "get out" and
suggest we stick to the subject at hand.But, who am I to say that? No one.It's nice to see that people do care,and for all those that do,thank you.
And Robert,I wish you the best of luck in coming truly clean.Please don't piss your life away,your far too talented for that.Try to remember that no matter how crappy it can get that there are people
who,I'm sure would like to see more of your great work.IF not,BURN!BURN!BURN!
(just pulling your trousers)
See you in HELL anyways,
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Posted by Mud (muddy@muddy.com) on December 1, 2000 8:02 AM

I am myself. Not Robert or a random shemp.

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Posted by Mud (muddy@muddy.com) on December 1, 2000 8:09 AM

No one but Mr. Downey, Jr. knows what's going on here. And NO-ONE but he can do anything about it.

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Posted by Bradleyjohn2 (bj@fake.com) on December 1, 2000 12:40 PM

Robert Downey Jr. Did that in his 1987 Movie
"Less Than Zero" Andrew McCarthy and Jami Gertz who also Stared in this movie
That act of sex was not in real life.

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Posted by Bradleyjohn2 (bj@fake.com) on December 1, 2000 12:44 PM

Robert Downey Jr. Did that in his 1987 Movie
"Less Than Zero" Andrew McCarthy and Jami Gertz who also Stared in this movie
That sex act (blow job)was not in real life.

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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on December 1, 2000 5:50 PM

No one is trying to do anything about it. These are comments. Opinions. It's the American way, my friend.

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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on December 1, 2000 5:56 PM

Actually, since you are a person who posted above (you left your email address) you must really care about this somehow, despite the disaffected glib insinuation.

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Posted by Mud (muddy@muddy.com) on December 2, 2000 3:38 PM

yes, and so is the right to disagree, my "friend."

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Posted by Mud (muddy@muddy.com) on December 2, 2000 3:50 PM

I do care, being glib can be a form of self protection.

Even though, I don't know this man, things that are being said still have an effect on me. And I know that none of us should take these things too seriously, but it's hard not to. Where has all the hope gone? the compassion? Has the world gone to such a place that no one cares about anything anymore? And I am not talking religion. Organized religion means nothing to me. I am talking about common everyday people. THAT is why I take comments seriously, that is what I care about.

BTW, just in case you haven't figured it out yet, that is not my real email@fake.com.

Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on December 2, 2000 3:58 PM

I like totally agree. Legalize Drugs! Let the government control prices and shit, just like they do beer and wine! Put the drug dealers out of business. Tax the income, then maybe I can finally keep my own money.

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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on December 2, 2000 4:01 PM

That kiss on Ally McBeal was something else! He is one of the sexiest men alive!

If only he could stay out of prison. :(

Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on December 2, 2000 11:15 PM

And... ?

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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on December 2, 2000 11:22 PM

No, no... you can tell it's you because you're leaving the same fake email address each time.

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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on December 3, 2000 12:55 AM

As i scroll down through all the bullshit. It has become clear to me that all you yuppie fucks. Are playing a game that everybody used to call "telephone". Who gives a fuck what Robert does. It's his motherfuckin money what do you care? None of you could save shit pressing keys. Your all just part of this big ball of shit that goes round and round.

Posted by ace2u (acei2u@mars.com) on December 3, 2000 2:56 AM

OR an encounter with Bubba behind bars will wake him up and smell the coffee. He is a Good actor and needs a lot of help, and i hope his friends will be there for him.

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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on December 3, 2000 11:30 AM

You're a sorry sack of shit.

Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on December 3, 2000 11:36 AM

You're right, I am. I'm really sorry.

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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on December 3, 2000 11:38 AM

No problem. We all lose it every now and then. Fight the good fight. :-)

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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on December 3, 2000 1:22 PM

Welcome to the decline of western civilization.

Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on December 3, 2000 2:04 PM

All substance and process addictions stimulate the portion of the brain known as the "pleasure center"(I wonder if if this isnt part of what is included when the apostle Paul wrote,"In the last days...men will be.. lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God," 2 Timothy 3:1,2,4.)Since the fall of the Garden of Eden, man has been unusually capable of getting into trouble with his human needs. After all, Eve got into trouble at the "grocery store". While looking for something to eat she came upom the tree God had declared off-limits. She lingered beneath its fruit-laden branches; it seemed such a shame to waste it all. Her mouth began to water. Surely God had created it for a reason. Didnt He give "us richly all things to enjoy" ( 1 Timothy ^:17, kjv)? Before Eve could think further, the serpent offered her just one tasty bite. (cmon we have all been there) Rationalizing away the instruction of the Lord God, she drew a breath and sank her teeth into the fruits savory flesh. Still not recognizing the eternal implications of her action, she turned to her husband who was lingering a short distance away and offered him a bite. Adam, too, chose the succulent morsel. I doubt it was avery big bite and for awhile it seemed not to matter-until they heard the sound of their Divine Companion striding to meet them. What had actually happened to Adam and Eve? Their action hardly seems wicked to a world whwer right and wrong are judged on the basis of harm to others rather than hurt to God. But their God-created appetite sought satisfaction in the forbidden. Since that moment, man has become susceptible to addiction.

Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on December 3, 2000 2:42 PM

THe Garden of Eden story is not the only clue the Bible gives us to addiction. King Solomon, the Old Testament's wisest man, made frequent observations of drunkards and gluttons and recorded thes observations in Scripture. What he wrote in Proverbs 23:30-35 describes the addiction process 3000 years before any of todays counselors ever saw their first addict. "Do not look on the wine when it is red," he wrote, "when it sparkles in the cup, when it goes down smoothly; at the last it bites like a serpent, and stings like a viper." This personification of the taste and effect of alcohol is loaded with revelation. Every addiction begins as an innocent quest for relief-"it goes down smoothly"-but like the sting of the viper, all unchecked addictions lead to death.(just like Roberts movie "less than zero")Whether its a physical death (alcoholism is the number 3 killer in the United States, according to the National Institute on Alcohol Abuse and Alcoholism) or the death of a marriage because of sexual abuse or compulsive gambling, all addictions destoy lives. Addiction was no stranger to the Apostle Paul. In his writings to two of the early churches, he specifically prohibited the appointment of leaders who were addicts. The two Greek words he chose in speaking about the malady give clues to a biblical definition of addiction. To Timothy and Titus, Paul used the word paroinos when referring to those specifically addicted to wine. It actually means "beside wine," conjuring a picture of one always found near the bottle. In writing to Timothy in another place, Paul chose the word prosecho which means "to turn to." An addict, in the biblical sense, is one who turns to a substance or process in time of need. The clearest picture in the Word of God illustrating the powerful bondage of addiction and the strength of God to break it is the story of the Hebrews' escape from slavery in the land of Egypt. It is the story of a loving God eager to come down and deliver His people from the hands of a cruel master. It reveals the compassionate heart of God in reaching down with a power greater than their chains and leading them step-by-step from the desert of Egypt to the Promised Land of Canaan. It is the closest parallel in the Bible to the journey of the addict and provides a perfect model for physical, emotional and spiritual healing. it is from this story that our precription for healing will be drawn and applied to each phase of the addiction process and recovery. More than the story of a nation, Exodus foreshadows the delivering, healing power of Jesus Christ. In it lie God's secrets to overcoming the power of addictions cruel bondage in any life.

Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on December 3, 2000 8:37 PM

will the real robert downey jr please rise

Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on December 3, 2000 8:55 PM

After scrolling through most of the posts, I couldn't let the conversation stand with a pathetic attempt at human expression with the extended quote from the bible. Have you no mind of your own? Can you compose without plagarizing ancient texts? Everyone else who has entered this conversation has had the guts to put some sliver of their own thought into their response. For the some the sliver is smaller than others.

This collective narrative may benefit Downey Jr. if he ever reads, so we can all say that we did get off our asses and do something. We reached out to another human being (albeit from the safety and comfort of our computers).

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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on December 3, 2000 11:03 PM

You true believers are a real hoot. You believe in such gothic bullshit! It's unbelievably funny! Guys: Jesus Christ and Charles Darwin were remarkable men, both equal in the eyes of evolution. Ta-tah!

Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on December 4, 2000 5:24 AM

Bom Shiva,

My best friend Mario has an ugly Amphetamine addiction. He's doing quite OK these days as he moved away from the city, but he still goes on a bender once in while. For example a couple of weekends ago when he snorted up half a gram of the stuff... He was not himself for almost a week after that.

How may I help him... I tell him I'm worried and that I love him... What more can I do??? I'm real worried cause I'm leaving for Asia in a month.

Tommy

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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on December 5, 2000 6:27 PM

AND, You don't know "what's going on here" anymore than the rest of us random shemps. :-

Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on December 5, 2000 8:19 PM

There you go again. When will it end?

No one knows all of the reasons behind addiction. We certainly can NOT say that the bible refers to addiction as being a sympton of the disintegration of society. It is merely our translation of an "ancient text" that people have twisted to suit their own points of view.

Some of us have been raised to believe what our fathers and our fathers' fathers, etc. believed. We blindly follow along without stopping look and ask why or what if. Well, what if the bible ( yes lower case b) is just a book of fables, stories written to TEACH! Not "God's Word!"( in order to get the full effect, you have to say that in a really really deeeep voice.)

Based upon what is known about it, the bible can't be accepted as fact. We don't know why the authors wrote it. Perhaps, the first authors thought their stories would sell better if they claimed that it was the Word of God.

We each have our own opinion and that's ok, after all it is "the American way." However, even IF I believed in "Jesus" or "God", I would not shove it in your face and say, " We all need to go to church and become one with the Lord! That's why the world is going down the crapper!" ( I blame this misconception on the press.) Besides, you know the old adage, "People who live in glass houses, shouldn't throw stones."

We are EVOLVING. Nothing new, it's happened before. The pagan's believed in a god AND a goddess, they worshipped them as representatives of the earth and believed in the harmony of nature. Then this thing called christianity came along and some people thought "Hey, wow, this is cool. Let's all follow this path!" And now, we are moving on again, we are evolving.

Evolution is not only about changes in our physical being, it also emcompasses changes in our social character. As a Society we are pulling farther and farther away from a belief in a god. Who knows how many religions came before or how many more will come after.

Believe what you want, this was not intended in any way to change your points of view. It is just an expression of my belief that no forum should be used to promote other peoples religious beliefs. We all need to chose our own path.

And finally, if the only way you know how to communicate is to quote from or paraphrase the bible, then maybe you should take a subscription to Time or Newsweek or People or Playboy(girl). Wake up and smell the coffee, it's the dawn of a whole new world.

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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on December 5, 2000 8:23 PM

Good point.

Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on December 5, 2000 8:30 PM

Sorry, I tend to get a little "heavy" sometimes. :)

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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on December 5, 2000 11:44 PM

Oh, no problem. These kinds of threads suck us in like moths to a flame. :-)

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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on December 5, 2000 11:49 PM

That is a question. I am asking it. I don't know the answer.

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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on December 6, 2000 12:51 PM

Righteous!

Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on December 6, 2000 6:36 PM

I noticed. :-/

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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on December 6, 2000 6:38 PM

Sorry, I was reading more into it. :-)

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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on December 6, 2000 6:42 PM

I don't think I can.

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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on December 6, 2000 6:47 PM

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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on December 6, 2000 6:47 PM

If you think you can't you won't. That's not bullshit, it's true. Thoughts are powerful. Remember: the past does not equal the future.

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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on December 6, 2000 6:50 PM

A smile is a powerful thing. :)

Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on December 6, 2000 6:54 PM

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.

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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on December 6, 2000 7:11 PM

Now you've gone and done it. You've bored us all to sleep with your "preaching."

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on December 6, 2000 7:13 PM

And I thought it was just gas! :-) lolol

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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on December 6, 2000 7:25 PM

Air America helped to make Robert Downey, Jr. an "American Icon"? Have YOU been sniffing something?

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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on December 6, 2000 7:28 PM

You're right.

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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on December 6, 2000 7:37 PM

Thank you. :-)

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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on December 6, 2000 8:54 PM

One time, I was with this guy, and we fucked shovels.

Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on December 6, 2000 11:58 PM

:-o

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Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on December 7, 2000 12:29 AM

Do you meditate? It helped me give up alcohol. It seems a lame-ass thing to do at first until you realize how challenging it is to stop thinking. By focusing on your breathing something profound slowly enters your life. Not dull, but fascinating and powerful. It is a time every day when your life is your own and not anyone elses. Start with a book called THE RELAXATION RESPONSE. Clearly, there's shit you must deal with and a relaxed consciousness is more flexible to change and growth. Meditation can help you want to change. When I was a boozer (and etc.), I was just filling time in a curious way, almost as if I couldn't wait to get life over with. Just blur it all together and forget the bad parts. To be no one. Now I realize how much great stuff I missed and I'll never get that time back. But you know what? I learned so much. I don't think drugs are evil, I even believe in them, but they are not for me. I can't deal with them. You can't deal with them. I have my life back now. Quiting saved my marriage and brought me back in touch with my art. I'm not a speck anymore. Not pounded out flat every night. Everything is working perfectly. I don't know what will work for you; I'm not a therapist. But you're so obviously gifted. I don't know what that kind of attention is like, but it must be suffocating. Work to make time that is your own. Be selfish about that. That's actually what you are trying to do when you get high. But now, explore yourself instead. Yeah, it's a lot harder than snorting or knocking back a drink. But life isn't supposed to be easy. You're supposed to feel every damn step.

Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on December 7, 2000 12:34 AM

A shovel has an orifice?

Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on December 7, 2000 3:38 PM

Were they male or female shovels?

Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on December 7, 2000 5:12 PM

Did you get splinters?